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contact notes from
Contacts 182 to 203.


182nd Contact

Thursday, February 3, 1983, 10:31 PM

Billy:
It has become late today. I already expected you during the day.

Quetzal:
1. Unfortunately, my work didn’t allow for an earlier appearance.

Billy:
You’re always busy.

Quetzal:
2. The concerns that I have to deal with concern a group member yet another time.

Billy:
Oh no, that’s something entirely new.

Quetzal:
3. One should have your humor, my friend.
4. Unfortunately, I have no other option than to deal with this decent concern.
5. Elsa gives us the greatest concerns because her whole mind has become destructive, whereby she grossly neglects her duties to the community and to the mission.
6. Up to the present hour, it was not yet possible that she could be used for her actual destiny in the mission, for a lot of her actions allowed no guarantee that she would fulfill this task.
7. Lately now, the prospects for such a guarantee deteriorate even more because her sense rapidly changes into a mission-hostile and community-hostile thinking.
8. Not in the least because she has not yet fought against and hasn’t removed her autocratic nature but rather carries this out in a more peculiar manner.
9. Furthermore, she has let herself become ensnared by the unreal influences of H. Glanzmann, with whom she stands today in closest contact and, more often than not, in the form of being together.
10. And in order to be able to do this, she is not in the habit of being honest to the group and to you but quite the opposite, for she tries to get around fulfilling her duty by simulating illnesses.
11. Recently, even an open refusal and rebellion now begin to work, for she no longer even follows my instructions.
12. Through this, she deliberately destroys the power ring of the meditation with the small pyramid, which can be built according to a certain scheme and can be preserved through this.
13. To my knowledge, you have made it known to her that a failure during the meditation means that two other extraordinary participations have to occur for this, which cannot be changed by me at present, even with the best intentions, because I just cannot revoke natural laws.
14. Through this, it will take effect that through the querulousness of Elsa, the power ring will slowly but surely be demolished, by what means the power of the pyramid and the meditations will slowly but surely become ineffective and even turn into negative force fields.
15. The whole thing will only be fully functional, then, if all group members meet their times of meditation with the small pyramid and also carry out the necessary extraordinary participation, which will entail a certain amount if a failure appears.
16. However, Elsa isn’t concerned about this, whereby she deliberately drives everything to destruction.
17. All this just because of her querulousness and as a result of the unreal influence of H. Glanzmann, who already long ago succumbed to the delusion that he is the embodiment of the ancient prophet Ezekiel.

Billy:
His crazy notion is well-known to me, already for more than two years. He also still believes that he has some contacts with other-dimensioned beings and powers.

Quetzal:
18. This acceptance is of a morbid imagination because he has deprived himself of these powers and opportunities by his wrong doing, such that he can never attain them in this life again.

Billy:
But that still doesn’t change the sad fact surrounding Elsi, who is influenced by him in such an unfortunate and wrong way.

Quetzal:
19. That is correct.
20. Moreover, she herself lives in the unreal delusion that she is capable of thinking and acting more rationally and more logically than we, who are millions of years ahead of your development.
21. She even has the nerve in her relevant madness to doubt and to disregard our explanations and insights and our instructions because she feels set above us in her quick and clever thinking and challenges our logic.
22. She even goes so far as to maintain against better knowledge that we would be subject to mistakes with regard to judgments and orders relating to the group members, etc., but this in no way corresponds to the truth.
23. We probably have our faults, even in her case, but not in terms of decisions and not in terms of wrong assessments of the truth.
24. Our fault always only lay in the fact that we were never able to understand and failed to recognize that the Earth person thinks untruthfully in his surface thinking, while other more profound thoughts are present.
25. In other words, this means that the Earth person usually maintains untrue thoughts in his surface thinking, which never correspond to truthful thoughts, and all this just to gain personal advantage through it.
26. And Elsa also belongs to this kind, as we unfortunately had to recognize.
27. So in truth, the failure does not lie with us but with the fallible Earth people.
28. Moreover, we ourselves only committed the mistake that we accepted the lies of the surface thoughts as the truth, whereby misjudgments came about.
29. But in truth, the fallible ones are the liars, thus, those who maintain untrue thoughts and send these out in order to gain personal profit through this.
30. This is a machination of very primitive and dirty value, which is, unfortunately, owned by Elsa, and because in this connection, she already felt herself caught many years ago, she raised her voice in order to deny the truth.
31. But that through this, she has even destroyed her own desires, which could have been fulfilled with certainty, she did not want and does not want to see and recognize.
32. Since then, her sense only lies at pushing all of the errors she has committed off of herself and onto others, in order to feel justified by this self-deception.
33. This is even a gross self-deception of the lowest negative value.
34. There could only be a change in her and this could only come about if she would reflect upon the truth and would act in accordance with it.
35. From our side, we can no longer agree, under the present circumstances, to be helpful to her through impulses, as we also can no longer do this in the future for other fallible group members.
36. Those who commit false actions will be excluded from our impulse vibrations in the future, so they will be released to the harmful vibrations of the environment and to the course of fate.
37. But this might mean serious harm for them.
38. On the one hand, as a result of being released from the positive impulse vibrations, they will be susceptible to health hazards, which will likely lead to serious problems and to an uneasy life.
39. This will also have a further impact on personal relationships, referring to other and intimate people, who will also lose our protection and will find a life with problems.
40. According to the explanation of the High Council, ultimately, it will yet so happen with the fallible ones, such being lawfully determined, that after the deaths of the fallible ones, their following lives will no longer be given to the area of knowledge and to fast-paced evolution; instead, they will arise in primitive people, who are still ignorant of the knowledge of spirit and who still count as primitive people among the people of this world.
41. Moreover, it should be possible that the following lives can, in full knowledge, be made fully aware of the present life and of the mistakes of the persons concerned, which were deliberately committed in malice, and this up to seven consecutive lives, without ever being given the opportunity of being able to leave the place of birth and, in the meantime, being able to arrive in civilized parts of the world.
42. However, the High Council still sees another possibility, namely that the fallible ones reflect upon the truth and love, so that after some following lives, they can be newly integrated into a community that is aware of the process of evolution, like the present one, through which a few truth-thinking ones are led and through which progress is made with them, by what means a certain part of the goal can still be achieved, and all necessary values can later follow from that.

Billy:
A very hard thing, I think.

Quetzal:
43. According to the explanation of the High Council, this law represents a real possibility that some day, the fallible ones can yet achieve their evolution.
44. But from my side, I would have to send the fallible ones to a desolate and uninhabited planet, where they would yet have to think for the rest of their lives about what can be done to get through their mistakes and culpability, in order, then, to lead a progressive existence in the following life and in all lives after that.

Billy:
You are rather angry, my friend.

Quetzal:
45. Thus, my words correspond to my utter seriousness.
46. But on the other hand, I see the explanation of the High Counsel as a good solution.

Billy:
And this, you would actually carry out?

Quetzal:
47. That is correct, and since this is very serious to me, all fallible ones, especially Elsa, would already experience this within an extremely short time.
48. All previous applications, reprimands, pleas, and penalties, etc. that were issued have never produced a lasting effect, from which it is to be concluded that everything is of no use.
49. Only firm action could still be really helpful, which is why I would follow the relevant advice of the High Council.
50. But unfortunately, such measures are, at least at present, not possible on the Earth.

Billy:
About that, I’ve already spoken many times with Engelbert and also searched for solutions, but we found none. On the other hand, I think that it is fairly common among certain people of the Earth that they behave themselves in such a ricocheting manner. And if I keep in mind what has sometimes happened in the past lives of many of these people and what prospects they had for this present life, before you recently looked after them, then I think that their lousy machinations are rather damn primitive and that dirty thanks are due for this. Especially when you now speak primarily of Elsi, I think that just she should be met with the greatest gratitude for your help and impulses, which have led her to a better life than what she herself has determined in life.

Quetzal:
51. That is correct; nevertheless, practically all of the fallible ones do not know that in their last or in several of their past lives, they lived as different personalities, who did not live according to their destinies to such an extent that their following lives necessarily had to be impaired by the impulses of their memory bank, and this led to degrading lifestyles.
52. But that their present existence has run within a good framework and that this has only happened through our assistance – because we made their old destinies breakthrough, from which they had maliciously departed – of this they know nothing.
53. Nevertheless, this fact would have had to become known to them, at least in part, when they had thoroughly striven within the intended and feasible framework of the mission, of the truth, and also of the teachings.

Billy:
So the whole thing, nevertheless, again leads to the fact that they themselves are responsible for their deeds and actions, even if the past commitments of their former lives are not known to them, and on the other hand, it’s that each person always only makes the best out of his present life, without knowing about his lives before. So it doesn’t matter whether they know what was in their previous lives, even though a few things may be of use. A wide variety of people are delirious of the fact that they had only acted evolutionary in the past life and led a good life, even though this often doesn’t correspond to the truth, such as with Mrs. Elsi, who lived in Germany before her present life and who came to an inglorious end there as another personality. Maybe it would be good if you would show the vital statistics of each group member in this connection if, perhaps, it would be helpful.

Quetzal:
54. We have had rather bad experiences with that.
55. But maybe a shock would be really helpful.
56. I will consider this important matter.

Billy:
Could you mention, nevertheless, the data of the last life of Mrs. Elsi?

Quetzal:
57. Tentatively, yes.
58. Nevertheless, I would like to limit myself to just the main points, specifically identifying the data that she can verify at any time.
59. But initially, a short explanation in advance is necessary:
60. Elsa’s true destiny, also in relation to the mission, is lost in her subconscious, and this has been the case for more than half a millennium.
61. Since then, she has only lived at the edge of these determinations in a form according to notion, whereby she gave preference to worldly pleasures and vices, however, in every one of her past lives as other personalities, which led in her last eight lives, without exception, to a violent end, which I will mention individually if I make up my mind to reveal these secrets to the group members.
62. In any case, the contents of her last eight lives always led to the fact that her life and her lifestyle were very negative and degenerate; thus, we had to use enforced non-violence for her present existence, in order to let her shape her life in a way that was positive in certain things.
63. Thus, her birth also took place at a place and in a family which were not originally determined by her but which we chose for her.
64. That you also played a certain role with her during childhood, this was also planned by us.
65. Through all of this, the events and developments so made their way, albeit with large hindrances, which led to that which had to bring success.
66. Nevertheless, this success was only short-lived, for as things stand today, this is well-known you.
67. But now, to come to speak on her last life, I need to explain this: her destiny, which was created at that time in connection with the present life, was rather vile, by which she would have sunk into extremely negative depths again.
68. And if I now mention the facts of the last life of hers, then even the most ignorant Earth person would understand what kind of life she would have had to expect as a present if someone wouldn’t have been helpful to her.
69. In her last life, Elsa bore the surname WENDT.
70. A name which she acquired by marrying a master carpenter.
71. Master carpenter Wendt and his wife, who was today's Elsa in her former personality, lived in ROSTOCK after their marriage; there, her husband worked in his learned profession in his own workshop; meanwhile, his wife had to tend to the household.
72. She ran this household more poorly than rightly because her mind wasn’t set on manual labor but on self-glory, bossiness, and pleasure of a prohibited form.
73. Moreover, all of her thoughts and efforts were focused on a degenerated craving for recognition.
74. Burdened from her current life which had been brought forward, she ingratiated herself with a larger number of men and didn’t exactly remain loyal to her husband.
75. This also led to the fact that she approached her husband’s apprentice and maintained intimate relations with him.
76. But when this same one then met a young girl, he wanted to stay away from his master’s wife, who began to blackmail him, however.
77. The young fellow found no other way out in his desperation than to poison the master carpenter’s wife, his mistress, by what means she died a very painful death.
78. In order to divert the suspicion of the murder from himself, the apprentice falsely accused his master Wendt of the murder of his own wife, who was then sentenced to death by the wheel.
79. After that, the process against the innocent one lasted for seven years, after which then, too late, an acquittal was made.
80. The confession of the master carpenter, which was forced by torture, took place in the year of the murder of his wife, in the year 1835.
81. The apprentice was never punished because he was able to conceal his murderous act throughout his life.

Billy:
So now, you’ve said it all.

Quetzal:
82. You asked for it.

Billy:
Recently, I think that maybe it would be good, in spite of everything, if one and another group member knew something about the past of his former lives, even though I have had rather bad experiences with such things. Your information can surely be verified, right?

Quetzal:
83. That is correct.
84. If Elsa is interested in it, then it will be an ease for her to learn about the truth of my information.
85. The case of her former life in Rostock as the master carpenter’s wife, Mrs. Wendt, is stored under the year 1835 in the archives there.

Billy:
I don’t doubt that because I can still remember that time very well, when information was given to me about the man Arendt and the man Bertossi, also known as Ziehten, which was then clarified and confirmed by Guido via an attorney. Thus, I need no further evidence for this than what you have provided by your explanations.

Quetzal:
86. Then we have to lose no other words over this.

Billy:
Right; I would also be interested in something else, namely how it now stands with the radio. Is it now possible that via this, you could give a speech to all group members?

Quetzal:
87. We first have to clarify the technical possibilities because concerning this, there arise all kinds of unforeseen difficulties.
88. However, I will intensively strive with this in the next days and weeks, and in this case, you will also be needed repeatedly, in order to carry out the necessary attempts.

Billy:
I am always ready to serve.

Quetzal:
89. That, I also must say.
90. But now, my friend, I still have to give you another message, which will not please you.
91. It concerns advice from the High Council.

Billy:
What, the cuckoo, is that unpleasant, then?

Quetzal:
92. There is an important matter, which we ourselves have had to think about since time immemorial, but which has now been grasped by the High Council.
93. Since time immemorial, we have had some difficulties with regard to our neutrality towards all group members.
94. This in the sense that it has often been rather difficult for us to behave neutrally toward these Earth people.
95. Even we are only human, and even if everything was always just a one-sided affair, we feel just as humans do, so every single group member has grown into our feelings, which often made it rather difficult for us to make our decisions.
96. When defects arose in many of the group members, just because we were connected to our emotions, we often had great difficulties with regard to maintaining objective unity toward the fallible ones because we always wanted to be supportive of them.
97. So far, similar emotions, unfortunately, have only brought a few of the group members to us; moreover, in some of them, there is even actually a strong feeling of coldness that permanently prevails against us, and also against the group members and other Earth people.
98. Elsa belongs to the group members of this kind, as well as Jacobus and some others.
99. Nevertheless, from our side, the same loving thoughts and feelings of sensitivity also prevail toward these group members, which often gave us difficulties with our decisions, as I’ve already explained.
100. At the beginning of our contacts, things were different because we were too focused on pure logic and, thus, strongly neglected our feelings, but as a result of your teaching, we had to recognize that without these feelings, everything was different, incorrect, and too strict.
101. In accordance with your instruction, all of our people changed their relevant actions and conduct, and since that time, a lot has changed to our advantage.
102. But we have also had to recognize from these incidents that when a certain freedom of feelings is granted, many problems become larger, and from the resulting strong attachment to such freedoms of feelings, difficulties in terms of objectivity also appear, which are very often of a far-reaching nature and which can be inhibitive.
103. That is the main reason why we, against all reason and in spite of the frequent, very evil faults of the fallible group members, were always willing to resume the contacts and the mission, always with the hope that along with the false actions, insight would yet break through and that everything would take a turn for the better and, thus, take a large step towards the goal.
104. But now, concerning this, the High Council, with their advice, has turned to us, saying that we should withdraw ourselves, in order to hand our task over to other powers.
105. Should we actually decide for this, it would mean that we would already have to break off our contacts with you within a short time, after which those who were previously unknown to you would then provide you with the necessary information, but this would only be purely pertinent, without any personal touch, to arising problems with the group members, etc.
106. The reason for this advice, which is why this advice was given, is because we did not come to mention the renewed false actions of Elsa to the High Council, which caused them to give the advice just mentioned.
107. Taking from their advice, I must tell you that we should have called Elsa to account, which would have meant for her that she would have already led her life to an end in the month of July 1982, in accordance with her lifetime opportunity, but this was prevented by our manipulations, as a result of her fulfilling her intended mission, to which she committed herself.
108. But now, the breach of her promise has persuaded the High Council to give its advice towards the removal of impulse assistance, the discontinuance of the contacts, and the abandonment of the life control of the fallible ones, who can be reincarnated - up to seven consecutive lives among the people of the Earth, with the full memory of this life and of their committed mistakes and deeds - where they will have no opportunity at all of arriving into knowing civilizations or of making their way up to a higher position in the nation in which they are born.
109. Through this, during several lives, they will become aware of the awfulness of their wrong and malicious acts that were committed in your present life.
110. Thus, the fallible lives will then be of full thoughtfulness, due to their knowledge that their people will be thousands of years ahead of them, without these ignorant ones being able to come under this knowledge so that they may bring it to use.
111. If we explain this enforced non-violence, then we do not act against the existing laws because the laws of Creation themselves include such provisions, according to which these natural laws always begin to work whenever a human life form degenerates and threatens to destroy certain Creational goals.
112. If the following lives are then lived according to natural laws, then in each case, there is a reintegration into the old form, by what means the normal condition prevails once again, so the memories of the past lives only appear as a notion.
113. If, after such events, a life form again breaks out into degeneracy, then there is no elimination of the spirit form, as you well know, but a further rectified series of rebirths.

Billy:
Yes, I am informed of that. But I just think that not even this warning and fact enters into the skulls of those who would have to think carefully about this. Especially with Elsi, I see no hope because if she wants to be cleverer than you, as you say, then she is probably a hopeless case.

Quetzal:
114. That is correct because that is to be feared.
115. Unfortunately, her stubborn and autocratic sense - that her rather quick and clever thinking and her extremely weak power of decision are truly able to grasp the full significance of the forthcoming proceedings, with regard to recognizing the truth - must be doubted, just as much as the fact that she will free herself from her dogmatic and recognition-seeking megalomania and from her materialism which is depressing her.

Billy:
Yet one couldn’t do anything in order to teach her something better. Nevertheless, it would only be fair.

Quetzal:
116. We cannot and may not take this possibility into consideration because a relevant change to the truth can be and must only be accomplished by her.
117. However, her dogmatic, megalomaniacal, and materialistically oriented thinking certainly don’t allow for this.
118. Only a very tough calling to account can yet be helpful to her.
119. But just think of a person, even an Earth person, of whom the truth falls away, and of whom it must fall away, if he stands megalomaniacal over those instructive powers, who own the true logic and who are more advanced by millions of years in knowledge, recognition, ability, and in wisdom and love, and in the fulfillment of the creative laws and commandments.
120. Compared to us, Elsa is only an ignorant, tiny little thing, still nearly a newborn and ignorant person, who must first learn speech and thought in a laborious manner, while we already lead our lives in pure logic.

Billy:
I cannot describe your words as insane, and even less as arrogant; on the contrary, I think that you still immensely understate things and that you place your light and your people’s light under the footstool.

Quetzal:
121. It is very unfortunate that I must speak such words.

Billy:
Of course, I understand you already, and I am damn tired of this.  But to speak of this further, it never accomplishes anything.  One could never lead stupidity and primitiveness to the truth with the truth.  But tell me how it would be if you leave and if others come.

Quetzal:
122. According to the given advice, any contact with you is supposed to be carried out by other powers, according to which the same contact person will never talk with you twice.

Billy:
That is bitter, my friend, even damn bitter.

Quetzal:
123. It is bitter, yes, but the final decision has not yet been made.
124. But anyhow, you or the group members should decide on whether this conversation between us should be transmitted in the form of contact reports.

Billy:
I would be very happy if I could conceal the sensitive areas during printing.

Quetzal:
125. That should be yours or the group member’s decision, whereby your word must take priority in all cases.

Billy:
I will think about it.

Quetzal:
126. You should do that.
127. What I still have to tell you further is that we will leave the Earth before the end of this month for about three months, in order to devote ourselves to a study and an evaluation with respect to all group members, whereby we will have to work through a lot of material, which we’ve recently made and recorded over all group members.
128. Taljda (= one who walks through the rainbow), who you know very well, along with various others, will maintain contacts with you in the meantime and make the necessary decisions on my behalf.
129. However, you and all group members must be aware of the fact that Taljda is very strict and won’t muck around for too long if any demands or arrangements are ignored or violated.
130. We, too, who have stood in contact with you until now, will have to act in this manner in the future.
131. Thus, it must now be clear to you and the group members that further violations will no longer be tolerated but that only a strict compliance with our instructions, as well as with the provisions and ordinal rules issued by you, is acceptable in every sense and in every respect.
132. Taljda, as my representative, will explain all that is necessary with your next meeting on the 5th of March, after which the strict rule then applies, that piece by piece, you expropriate everything which you have received from us or which has been awarded.
133. A smallest violation, whether it is carried out now or whether only an attempt is made, has as a consequence that a piece of property or a promise given by us to you will be taken back by us in each case.
134. Now, in the future, if we give you three options of further assistance from us – that firstly, we speak with you in the coming time over the radio communication devices to all group members – secondly, we deliver spirit teaching material over the sound recorders – and thirdly, we answer the personal and individual questions of the group members in a separate form over the sound recording equipment, then these promises will be gradually canceled and waived with each small violation of a measure issued by us, be it regulation or ordinal rule, and also in every case of a breach of regulation or ordinal rule, etc. issued by you, which is to serve for discipline and order, as well as for the mission.
135. Violations of a conscious form are to be considered by us, as well as violations that result from not listening and then a lack of understanding coming about from it, but this also applies to such violations that arise due to misunderstandings.
136. All upper violations of this kind must be raised to every single group member at the present time, after all the learning and experiences, so that it no longer must be discussed, and no more forbearance can be practiced towards these.
137. After our oral speech on the 5th of March, no more forbearance will be practiced, not even towards the smallest offenses.
138. Only false actions due to ignorance or understandable carelessness and the like can still be treated in forbearance, but no more violations that would have to be repaired for years.
139. And I state once again that for each violation of the aforementioned form, a piece of property given by us to you will be taken back, and the initial gifts to be taken back are to be those which we give as the last, namely the three promises related to communication, the teachings of spirit, and personal questions.
140. Should that also be useless, then the next step is the removal of the protection for the SOHAR center and, after that, the power effect there, according to which the neutralization location in the lower area will be released from their power.
141. If even that was of no use, then the same would occur with the circle-meditation pyramid, after whi…

Billy:
But you can’t do this because through this, you would take from all group members the only possibility of the evolution of a truer form.

Quetzal:
142. We will do it; that is decided.
143. No change is possible.
144. At once, all group members must grow up and also must insert themselves into a discipline, which alone will guarantee that the goals are finally reached and the mission comes to its fulfillment.
145. Unfortunately, it is still so, and this is the case with all group members, that it has not been recognized that just a certain order and compliance and the realization of a particular discipline can bring about success.
146. Still, all group members are of the crazy notion that violations may occur out of forgetfulness, for after all, they are only Earth people, who are still in need of instruction and to whom forbearance should be exercised.
147. This is a very erroneous view, and particularly those group members, who had to perform military services and duties, should already be beyond this.
148. Just with them, and especially with them, insight and knowledge should have already matured long ago, such that in their private lives and especially in your group, a success and existence can be given, if the points of the ordinances, regulations, ordinal rules, and discipline, etc. are followed and kept, as it is also the case with the military services, where any small violation of every form is very strictly avenged and punished.
149. But it isn’t remembered by those - who know a lot in these matters and who know this very well, as a result of their knowledge from the army services - that without the observance of the given order, everything would only correspond to one “wild heap of indiscipline,” if I may speak again in your mode of expression.
150. Just as it behaves in the army, so it behaves in every organization, in every school, and even in nursery schools; although, it behaves admirably in the latter, regarding those issues that must be constantly complained of with the group members.
151. In the kindergarten schools, there are small children, compared to whom the group members fully see themselves as adults, which, therefore, raises the question as to whether the group members are actually as mature as they would happily like to be.
152. Thus, you will now certainly be able to understand that we cannot tolerate the old-standing evils furthermore, which is why we must take measures, which are very well seen as disciplinary actions against violations.
153. If the opportunity was given to us to punish offenses of the Earth people according to our measures, in terms of law and order, then we would send the fallible ones to places and for times, which would certainly lead all fallible ones to reason and to the right and united, positive action.
154. On the other hand, we also have our ordinal rules, regulations, and arrangements, which we have to follow in solidarity and according to our best ability, fortune, and knowledge, without which we would have never reached the state of our current life, knowledge, love, insight, progress, and so on.
155. Only with us, there was a time when the way of life and the future was decided by the entire people and by our former leaders, such that from the moment of the decision, every life form actually strove, consciously and to the utmost, to follow and keep the given guidelines, ordinances, and regulations, etc., even though there were still many at that time who were of the same mistaken view as the group members of today.
156. Thus, it happened that fewer than 620 people had to be called to account for wrongdoing and had to be put out, even though our population comprised more than 238 million at that time.
157. If we wanted to implement this with the Earth people, then in any case, it could and would have to be that within a fraction of a second after a decision, an offense never occurs again.

Billy:
However, one always appeals to the right to make mistakes.

Quetzal:
158. A right never exists for violations of already adopted decisions.
159. Mistakes can and may only be committed where there is still no knowledge and no experience.
160. Also, keep in mind when you, for example, committed offenses against the regulations, etc., which are very well known to you.
161. How you could still fulfill your task, work, and mission in such a case!
162. Because such actions are not owned by you and you are always careful to be progressive, you continuously follow the law of efforts, namely that all becomes better.
163. That is also the reason why you continuously address us with new ideas and desires, through which assistance for the group members should develop from our side, such as your efforts to ensure that we should speak in audible form to the group members and give them the teachings of the spirit in a similar manner and also stand with them on personal matters and answer their questions.
164. And after more than 3 years, during which you even often excited us again and again with this strange request, we, nevertheless, decided on this step, while no group member ever knew or knows what the hard efforts on your side are in each case when we get involved in things that we have basically never thought of.
165. And truly, no group member has ever kept in mind that everything we have done so far for some or all of the group members was due simply and solely to your untiring initiative and perseverance because we never would have done these things on our own.
166. But you were always so modest in never letting it be announced that everything was only done due to your tireless efforts toward us, from the protection of and the donating of power to the SOHAR center, to the impulses that should be helpful to everyone, if at the same time, we disregard those impulses that we have contributed before and since the births of all group members.
167. But for a long time, we’ve been depressed and feel an ache inside ourselves, that all of these efforts are neither respected nor recognized, which you have undertaken for years for all group members, and that they are even ignored and then thanked by the fact that there continues to be violations of all kinds and that all real success and progress are prevented.

Billy:
You express too much praise, my friend.

Quetzal:
168. That is not so, for the group members should finally be aware of who is the real initiator of all those values, which we handed over to the individual or all group members in the course of the last years.

Billy:
You talk too much.

Quetzal:
169. But in accordance with your sense, it is certainly the truth that I cannot find enough words to emphasize your relevant merit sufficiently, in order to ensure that the full truth is understood by all those people who, in many cases, almost completely destroy your hard work over and over again.
170. The true victim is you, who strives year after year toward progress and success and for privileges for all group members, who then reward you for this with offenses and rainfalls and neglect of true learning efforts.

Billy:
Do stop, at last. Your flattery is slowly getting on my nerves, and besides, it only makes me out to be a megalomaniac.

Quetzal:
171. Your jokes find no attention in me; on the other hand, I also find no other words to speak further of that.

Billy:
Then we can finally take up a subject that is more reasonable than pointless adulation. On my side, I would still have a lot of questions that have already long burned on my tongue.

Quetzal:
172. You can include those at a later time because for the time being, I still have different concerns, which I must discuss with you now.

Billy:
Hopefully, they are lesser in the form as the previous cases.

Quetzal:
173. There, you can be reassured.

Billy:
Fine, then you can fire away at me.

Quetzal:
174. Even though things do not correspond to the context of the preceding, there are still some dark points to be addressed.

Billy:
And I thought that this now would have actually come to an end for today.

Quetzal:
175. The forms which are of a dark form, which are still to be explained, are of a more problematic nature.

Billy:
Aha, then no further complaints.

Quetzal:
176. That is correct.

Billy:
Then get cracking at once.

Quetzal:
177. Even though it doesn’t concern any complaints, the concerns to be mentioned are still unpleasant.
178. As you know, during the last weeks, we performed analyses and made clarifications over every single group member, in order to be able to meet our task with respect to talking and answering if personal questions are addressed to us over the communication devices, as you want.
179. During these analyses, we strove to fathom even the innermost self of each individual group member, but we must explain this to you without it coming to the knowledge of all group members, for things came to light which cannot yet be mentioned in an open form but rather in twenty years at the earliest, due to fears which are to be cultivated, that quarrels and accusations among all members of the group might appear.
180. The things that were uncovered range from the simple lie to the heavy theft of relatively large sums of money.
181. But through our analyses, we were able to understand various mysterious incidents which, now that we know the facts, are no longer mysterious in any way but are only infamous intrigues of individual group members or others who are not directly connected to the group.
182. Nevertheless, the fact that we endeavored to perform analyses, even where it was not permitted to us until now because we found no authorization for it – but which was wrong, as we now recognize – it has given us insight into things which give us true terror.
183. Never before have we felt entitled to suppose that in the deepest feelings and thoughts of the Earth people, and also in various group members, so much falsehood, infamy, addiction to intrigue, lies, and selfishness prevails, as we’ve determined through our analyses.
184. But through this, it became clear to us as to why various group members have not yet recognized true freedom up to this day and that they didn’t create this within themselves and, thus, do not live according to this afterward, but I would like to talk with you about that later.
185. First, I would like to give you an example regarding our analyses, which they have yielded in detail.
186. I would like to come to speak of a person who no longer lives with you but who was excluded, yet who continues to give us and you problems.
187. I refer here to Ferdinand Pfeiffenberger, whose children should come under your care and under your supervision, which would only be possible, however, if Ingrid and Ferdinand could be received into the group again, which is not evident, nevertheless.
188. This cannot be, for renewed discord would be caused by the two.
189. But listen to what I determined from the analyses regarding Ferdinand, for example:
190. Twice, you spoke to me of the fact that with the rabbit stable, the doors had been opened and the rabbits had escaped because someone had been messing around there illegally.
191. My analyses clearly showed that this happened at Ferdinand’s expense, as well as various other things that were inexplicable to you.
192. The swan, of which you reported to me that it had escaped, also came to escape from the poultry yard by Ferdinand’s hand, as he also ventured to rob several chickens of their lives by squeezing their necks until they suffocated.
193. But he also acted in such a way with a duck.
194. But that is not yet enough because other evils have arisen in even greater numbers than you yourself can imagine.
195. You can still remember that with you, within a very short time, all cats had disappeared, about which we also felt no sadness but were of the opinion that the problems had been solved.
196. With us, that’s actually how it was for so long, until I discovered through the analyses of Ferdinand that two of the animals did not depart from the center in the way that we had assumed.
197. A white cat – you named the animal “Molly” – was so beaten by Ferdinand, while being tied up in a sack, that after its release, it escaped while groaning and sought refuge elsewhere with other people.
198. Similarly, Ferdinand abused a second animal, which he struck unconscious, in order then to run it over repeatedly with his red vehicle, after which he then threw the dead animal to that place where you found it.

Billy:
That guy should also be abused once. And “Peepers,” the red cat?

Quetzal:
199. It is still in the vicinity of the center – running wild.
200. But that has nothing to do with animal abuse.
201. The real savagery resulted because of a fox that was clashing with the cat.

Billy:
You have spoken of the fact that Ferdinand has committed even other misdeeds.

Internal group affairs of the crudest kind:
Ferdinand’s misconduct in relation to the abuse of animals; marriage-destructive machinations by Billy’s wife, as well as crass financial irregularities toward Billy and the whole group by her; betrayal to the outside by Billy’s wife, who passed along tape recordings of the interests of the core group meetings to outsiders, in order to inflict harm upon Billy and the group; equally dangerous assaults on Billy’s life with knifes, a hatchet-hammer, scissors, and other objects, as well as murderous threats against him; defamations and denigrations against Billy by his wife toward group members and outsiders, etc., etc.

Billy:
Then fire away at once, my friend.

Quetzal:
202. Toward the end of the month of March, the procedure of shifting the time forward, which is incomprehensible to us and which is also carried out by the people of Switzerland, takes place once again.
203. This incomprehensible procedure is designated as daylight-savings time, which disturbs and interferes with the normal and established rhythms.
204. At the same time, it is in no way beneficial that through this daylight-savings time, people must begin their labor an hour earlier than usual, so that by this incomprehensible stupidity, already established rhythms and times are seriously impaired, whereby interferences appear that cannot be removed.
205. With you, for example, the meditations are so disturbed, partly because the time is shifted, whereby the normal rhythm is impaired, and partly because all of our monitoring and impulse devices are set for existing, specified times, and we simply cannot change them in their time functions because they are aligned toward the true, effective solar time.

Billy:
But last year, that was not yet the case, right?

Quetzal:
206. That is correct.
207. The reason why it is regulated in such a way now is because we took into consideration a further assistance for all group members, which consists of a fixed time meditation, determined in accordance with the most valuable times of solar time.
208. At the established times, all necessary forces are at their highest potential, which is why we selected these times.
209. But if, now, the stupidity of daylight-savings time becomes effective again, then everything is destroyed, with the efforts of the meditation becoming meaningless, powerless, and useless.

Billy:
Idiotic – I mean with the daylight-savings time. If the people would think a little more logically and cleverly, then this daylight-savings time wouldn’t be necessary at all. The simplest thing would be to say that during the whole year, early morning work doesn’t start at 7:00 AM but rather at 6:00 AM. Thus, no daylight-savings time would have to be introduced, so that in the evening, there could be one more hour of leisure time. In addition, throughout the whole year, the end of work in the evening would always be at 4:00 PM, which would give the people even other advantages.  But for people to think so far and find reasonable solutions, that is asking too much. Yet I think that what you can do with your people on Erra, that should also be good and cheap for the people of the Earth. Just the fact that you do a lot of regular duty work on Erra between the sixth and eighth hour of the morning and after that, you can leave and do what you want, I have found that to be very fine and reasonable, and I just ask myself why this reasonable solution cannot be handled in such a way on the Earth as well. Here on Earth, I’ve only seen this system handled in such a way one time, with Director Demuth, where it worked out wonderfully.

Quetzal:
210. That is well-known to me; you also spoke of this on Erra, when we talked about this problem.

Billy:
How would it be if we would simply disregard daylight-savings time, with respect to the meditation, and would retain the old time in the sense that we, in accordance with daylight-savings time, simply shift the meditations an hour ahead? We allow the relevant clocks of importance to run for us in such a way as they run now, and according to these clocks, we honor our commitments.

Quetzal:
211. That is a very good idea, and it is even the solution to the problem.
212. I also should have thought of that.

Billy:
And now you have. Then this would be right?

Quetzal:
213. If these concerns are handled in such a way, then all values will remain in full within the given framework.
214. Your solution is of absolutely full value.

Billy:
Then we should still see to it that we also find better solutions with regard to our work to be performed and with regard to the evening meal, for when the time comes for changes, I must talk about that with Engelbert. My suggestion is that we fix dinner from 5:45 PM to 6:15 PM, in order to work after that until 8:45 PM, after which, on the days of meditation, the group meditation can then take place. On the other days, the days off - like Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday - the same time applies concerning the meal, and after that, if necessary, one can work for no longer than until 8:45 PM. Also on Sundays, we have to work again, so something also has to be done there. The meditation on Sundays would be at 4:00 PM and on weekdays at 9:00 PM. Also, the individual meditations taking place in the SOHAR center would have to be kept, of course, according to the old times.

Quetzal:
215. I have also thought of similar decisions, but yours are more precise, so I will instruct that these must be carried out.
216. The start of this should be one day before the effective beginning of daylight-savings time.
217. That would be, according to my knowledge, on the 26th of March.
218. In addition, I still have to explain the following:
219. Together with you, we calculated that as of the 1st of January 1985, the financial situation and the labor force of the whole group must have progressed so far that those who are working abroad can be fully employed, as of this date, in the center.
220. But this stipulates that full employment is carried out by every single group member and that all necessary reforms are developed, only by which earnings can be guaranteed in the center.
221. But if one continues in the old and present way, then this goal cannot be reached.
222. The group members must increasingly be prepared for employment and to work more intensively, more rationally, as well as more joyfully.
223. Silvano, for example, lately diminishes in his achievements enormously, and his lethargic way of working has erupted again in full measure.
224. So for works that require 25 minutes of time to complete, he needs a full 3 to 3 1/2 hours, as I have determined.
225. In addition, if the weather isn’t exactly sunny, then he drags out this time even more in length.
226. If this behavior and others do not stand under the minimum level of achievement immediately, then it is necessary that he be replaced by another force, which Taljda will arrange, who will act as my representative until mid-year.
227. She has been instructed by me to observe these things until the end of April and, if necessary, make new decisions.
228. Also with Thomas, more attention must be given to employment because he shows too much consideration in himself, as this is also the case with Freddy.
229. They do not see occurring works, let alone the possibility of independently settling such works through self-initiative.
230. In addition, Thomas puts too much emphasis on his physical disadvantages, and through this, evils appear.
231. He should strongly consider this.
232. Louis works according to his abilities very well, but he always tends toward the possibility of appearing for duty at a much later time than what was arranged by me.
233. The danger that he will soon return to his every day life with this is already very great again.
234. Also, Sissi must increasingly fulfill her responsibilities, and starting from the month of May, it also applies to her that every month, she has to appear at each regular or irregular meeting, in the latter case if it is necessary.
235. Nevertheless, she must comply with the statutory-given monthly meetings.
236. In the future, this applies to everyone – even to new members.
237. Margaret can be left as the only valid exception, whose precarious financial situation is known to us.
238. Also, Maria and Conny, starting from the month of April, must be increasingly used more intensively for teamwork, but also all others, for only through this can the necessary occurring works be done, which should lead to the goal.
239. Taljda, according to my instructions, will deal with who has to perform what works and at what times.
240. At the end of the month of March or at the beginning of the month of April, she will remit the instructions relating to this, whereby all group members must be clear about the fact that Taljda is neither inconsistent nor able to be influenced in any things, so her instructions must be strictly followed; otherwise, she will relentlessly and consistently uphold and carry out the sanctions, which are provided in case of infringements.

Billy:
Somewhat military-like, but I think that discipline, etc. is necessary. Even in the civil defense, there is more order in this respect than what is often the case with us.

Quetzal:
241. That is correct, even though our view is that this civil service mentioned by you represents an imposition for the Earth people, and it is incomprehensible to us how grown people can take part in such senseless and silly gimmicks, which also eat up a lot of financial resources, which could truly find better use toward emergency relief on the Earth.

Billy:
Your word in the ear of all those who childishly devise and carry out this crap, which doesn’t apply to the military itself.

Quetzal:
242. Even if they could hear my words, their thoughts and aspirations wouldn’t change the people who are responsible anyways because in their thoughts and actions, they are primitive, stupid, and childish.

Billy:
To whom you say this.

Quetzal:
243. I know, my friend, but we should now talk about other things because we cannot argue all night over these issues.

Billy:
Of course.

Quetzal:
244. When I explained the last predictions to you, we dealt with the thought as to whether such predictions will finally be useful or not.
245. Since then, I have striven to make various analyses over this, which have shown that with a small percentage of Earth people, such predictions fall on rather fertile ground, whereby the majority of terrestrial mankind probably takes note of them; however, no consideration is given to these, so no success of a deliberate change to the better is to be expected with the majority.
246. But the smaller percentage, which does take on the predictions and generates some form of positive change within itself, might be of value, so we will continue to deliver such predictions.

Billy:
That is gratifying. Then you do want this…?

Quetzal:
247. That is correct.

Billy:
I thought that so far, if already, this should first be in March.

Quetzal:
248. Up to the month of March of this year, I have given you such predictions.
249. But for the following time after that, you will have no further information from my side.

Billy:
I remember that, but I thought that you, if even already, would first give me new data in March.

Quetzal:
250. As I have told you before, I leave the Earth for several months.
251. For this reason, I am not here in the month of March, which is why I could not pass along any predictions to you.

Billy:
Excuse me; I am rather slow on the uptake.

Quetzal:
252. At the moment, you didn’t think of my words, which said to you that I will be absent.

Billy:
In addition, I can now also say: that is correct.

Quetzal:
253. That is correct.

Billy:
Exactly, so I thought myself. It could not have been otherwise.

Quetzal:
254. Many people have certain phrases, and so do I.

Billy:
Sure, that is correct, but too much already gets boring.

Quetzal:
255. It must also be fun.

Billy:
If not, then I would, at most, already be stale.  But go on, already.

Quetzal:
256. So I ended with the predictions in the month of March, 1983.
257. If I now continue on from there with the explanations, then I must mention some events that will happen in Israel.
258. There, the mass murderer Begin will finally be restricted in his power because a new Prime Minister, a bad opponent of Begin, will take power.
259. Thus, Begin finally falls behind and loses much of his power.
260. Afterward, then, first comes the appearance of natural phenomena again, which will be talked about world-wide, and which, unfortunately, must be lamented over with the loss of human lives.
261. Around the turning point of March/April, so in less than a month, the Mount Etna volcano in Sicily will again eject large quantities of its red-hot interior and will cause much damage, after which then, only a few days later, an earthquake is expected in the country of Colombia, which will demand up to a thousand human lives and at least the total destruction of half of the city of Papayan.

Billy:
These earthquakes will probably never end, and people also won’t become smarter as a result.

Quetzal:
262. That is correct.

Billy:
I’ve wondered for a long time, how our own people, the group members, actually react to these events and, above all, how they react to the fact that you can always predict everything so very well.  Do you have any knowledge in this respect?

Quetzal:
263. At times, I have performed analyses over that, whereby I have also encountered facts that are of a rather unpleasant nature.
264. But in general, the group members are impressed.

Billy:
And what is unpleasant?

Quetzal:
265. Actually, a blatant unpleasantness only exists in one case.

Billy:
Must I individually draw out the answers from you again?

Quetzal:
266. You yourself might know with whom this unpleasantness appears, namely with Elsa.
267. Neither the predictions nor the fact of the respective incoming events impresses her greatly.
268. Already for too long, her thinking, feeling, and acting have been away from the fulfillment of the mission and from the truth, that she could still see clearly in these concerns.
269. She has very much alienated herself from everything, and particularly from the truth, because she only sees herself, and she egoistically and dogmatically overrates her own identity and her own interests.
270. Her seeing eye has become blind, both through her selfishness and also through outside influences, whereby former group members have a decisive influence.
271. In addition, her knowledge of the truth has so deteriorated and degenerated that she can no longer recognize even the smallest truths for many years and even questions our existence.
272. Already for some time, her erring and incorrect thoughts have been dealing with ideas that you would act as a swindler in relation to us and our existence and that we would merely be the figment of your imagination.
273. But to respond to her about this would be pointless of you because she has already so entangled herself in a web of lies that she would deny this fact by all means.
274. She does not let the truth of her severe and morbid addiction to dogmatism, self-pity, ambition, and all other evils that have erupted be valid any more, which is why she wants to cover each truth with untruths by all means, and it has already been like this so often that she even believes her own false claims and untruths.
275. I determined this fact at that time when we first performed analyses for every single group member, which Elsa designated as wrong in her case, in a way that was dogmatic and insulting to us and as though it had been taken from the air, whereby she still scurrilously swore at us, particularly at Ptaah and me.
276. As I told you at that time, we were compelled by this to discontinue some forms of impulses, which had been emitted toward Elsa since her birth.
277. In the absence of these impulses, she got ever more tangled up, and she deviated from her determinations and their fulfillment more and more.
278. And now that she has become even more alienated to everything in malicious ways, I am forced to stop other forms of impulses, whereby her initiative and concentration in her private life and with regard to her private work as a sewing teacher will decrease and rapidly decline, by what means a mental and physical decay will also take place, but this will occur at a very slow pace.
279. Thus, it is given that she escapes from our protection, as well as from her group membership, and that naturally, she lives against her own death determination, which we had influenced and canceled through our impulses, so that she could fulfill her task and could still have a long time to learn.
280. But under the given circumstances, with her wrong and contentious doing, thinking, and acting, we see no reason not to surrender her to her own, self-destructive destiny, uninfluenced by us, by what means she maneuvers herself into her own ruin and offside.
281. As a result of the renewed discontinuances of impulses, everything with her will have so worsened in a month that she will flow into a state of counter-defenseless helplessness, which she can no longer work herself out of, and she will long for relief.
282. This, if she does not deliberate herself to the better and if she doesn’t return to the truth and to the fulfillment of her duties in reference to the mission and responsibility, which if she does, we are prepared to let all impulses act upon her again, by what means everything would turn to the good for her again, and she would learn far beyond her own life goal determination.

Billy:
So you would help her again, if she would deliberate herself and would return to the right path?

Quetzal:
283. That is correct, for on the one hand, she has determined certain tasks for herself for the fulfillment of the mission, and on the other hand, we have invested so much work in Elsa, already for decades, and especially during her immediate life, such that we could only be pleased if she would be converted back to the truth.

Billy:
Perhaps it would be good if it was revealed to her what her former personalities and lives really were and that these were often not good, by any means, in large numbers. Furthermore, in relation to this, one should put down the madness in reference to me because over and over again, some deceased ones are requisitioned, whom I was supposed to have been in former lives. Presently, and already for some time, one imputes to me that I was once Karl Marx and Nostradamus.

Quetzal:
284. That is well-known to me, and slowly, this stupid gossip must become rather annoying to you.

Billy:
That it does, and especially because I know that these presumptions are not correct.

Quetzal:
285. These concerns should not disturb you any further because Eva will strive around this matter, in order to give you some data about your past lives.
286. She has long been occupied with this, and I will also send her the appropriate impulses.
287. She can call her previous knowledge without hesitation, according to which a few things will smooth themselves out.
288. Concerning Elsa and the other group members, we are working to gather the data, but it is questionable, at least at present, whether more is supposed to be mentioned with respect to Elsa.
289. The experiences with her in regards to these issues are, unfortunately, very negative.

Billy:
I know that – unfortunately.

Quetzal:
290. Thus, we will first have to hold council over that.

Billy:
Then we’ll just see what results from the council.

Quetzal:
291. That is correct.

Billy:
Once again – yes.

Quetzal:
292. But now, we should have spoken enough of these concerns because even though they are of importance, we may not announce too much – at least not yet.
293. On the other hand, I have to tell you other things, from which we have deviated again.

Billy:
Right, go on then.

Quetzal:
294. If you really have no more questions?

Billy:
I always have questions.

Quetzal:
295. It also can't be otherwise with you; what question do you still have?

Billy:
Something completely different, namely with respect to the Moon. Up there, there is a myriad of craters, such as also on Mercury or on other SOL planets and satellites. It makes me wonder now as to when the last big meteor impact took place on Earth’s satellite, how big the projectile was, and where this occurred on our moon.

Quetzal:
296. The last great impact was made by a meteorite in the year 1178, during the time of the New Moon, and the impact happened on the upper eastern quarter of the Moon.
297. The origin of the meteorite, as it was held at that time by our ancestors, lay in the asteroid belt that runs its course around the Sun between Mars and Jupiter.
298. The investigations at that time showed that in the year 408 B.C., for reasons that are inexplicable to us, a meteorite measuring 1,728 meters in diameter separated from the asteroid belt, entered into a staggering periphery course around the Sun, and ever more approached the Earth.
299. In the year A.D. 1178, it was then so far along on its direct course with Earth’s satellite that it fell on the surface of the Moon, close to the light border that is visible from the Earth.
300. As a result of this, there was an enormous explosion which hurled light waves and rocks so high above the lunar surface that the impact could even be observed from the Earth by the naked eye.

Billy:
Then it must have been really huge, nevertheless.

Quetzal:
301. So it was; that is correct.

Billy:
Could you, perhaps, give me even more information concerning such things?

Quetzal:
302. That can be the case, also with respect to other incidents that interest you.

Billy:
Good, then I will come back to that at a later time.

Quetzal:
303. That you should, but now, I would like to tell you of other things to come.
304. Regarding natural disasters and major political events, there is nothing to report, at least until the middle of the year 1983.
305. Earthquakes will likely occur in different countries, such as in California, where particularly San Francisco will be bereaved.
306. Floods and droughts will also become a talking point, but they are largely not worth mentioning, just like the unusual great activity of the volcano Etna in Sicily, whose lava flows are to be rerouted by human hands.
307. Also, two large storm floods in America and elsewhere are hardly worth mentioning.
308. But what is worth mentioning is the AIDS disease, which will very quickly spread itself starting from 1983 and will demand many victims.
309. This disease is brought in from America to Europe, and already by mid-year, it will claim many deaths – even in your home country, Switzerland.

Billy:
I have already heard different things about this scourge, but I think everything is trivialized in order not to frighten the population. In addition, it concerns a disease of degeneration, which was created in basic form by degenerated sodomy-homosexuals.

Quetzal:
310. That is basically correct, but it only indicates a small part of the truth.
311. According to our preliminary findings, this disease epidemic that is still incurable for the Earth person, which is not unknown to us, is the product of a virus that is disfigured and mutated by force, which completely paralyzes and even destroys the human body’s self-defense system, which must inevitably lead to death, even in cases of only minor sicknesses or injuries.
312. The Earth people themselves bear the guilt for this deadly disease, namely the unnatural ones, referring to those who are sexually unnatural, whose actions are incomprehensibly endured, tolerated, or even supported by many Earth people.

Billy:
With this, you address the sodomitic, degenerate homosexuals and bisexuals.

Quetzal:
313. That is correct; in addition, the sodomitic, degenerate, bisexual men also actually belong to this.
314. Both are equivalent to a breach of natural law, which will inevitably lead to serious consequences and even death because what is natural cannot be ignored, disturbed, and avoided throughout many millenniums without this avenging itself one day.
315. Normal homosexuality and normal bisexuality are naturally against nature, but they are not reprehensible and they do not violate natural law, just as bisexual and homosexual relations among female life forms are not abnormal and are not unlawful.

Billy:
The reason is well-known to me, and I have also described that in detail in my writings; thus, at least for those who know, there can be no doubt that homosexuality is naturally against nature as well as genetically conditioned and that it is not unlawful, as also the lesbian uniting of female forms is not unnatural.

Quetzal:
316. That is well-known to me, but now, hear what origin this disease epidemic has:
317. Basically, it was caused by the sodomitic, degenerate unnaturalness of homosexual and bisexual men, who got together and pursued sexual machinations with animals; thus, they gave themselves over to sodomy.
318. In particular, the disease was caused by the self-coming together of different active substances that are only carried in simian life forms, which could unite themselves to those humans through the disgusting sexual sodomizing of men.
319. In and of itself, the resulting transmitted and already very old and dangerous disease would have still been curable by earthly medicine, but because the sodomites sexually erred among the homosexuals and bisexuals, the disease pathogen changed in such a way that it became an absolutely fatal factor, against which the medicines and means of defense must now be found and be produced.
320. However, it is to be feared that these medicines will only be found when the epidemic already runs rampant world-wide, which can lead to similar events like at the time of the plague, which was also able to claim many victims through the guilt of the people, for they...

Billy:
About that, I would like to know even more details over your remarks.

Quetzal:
321. You will receive information about that, so we can remain with the explanations over the AIDS epidemic.
322. Thus, the sodomitic, degenerate, homosexual and bisexual men, who act despicably and who act contrary to the natural laws, bear the guilt for this disease.
323. But also to blame for this epidemic are those in particular who tolerate and who advocate the sodomitic, degenerate homosexuality and the sodomitic, degenerate bisexuality as well as the sodomy, even though these forms of sexual acts are absolutely contrary to the laws of nature and whose operation, in any case, will ensure that sooner or later, lethal or at least life-threatening consequences will appear, to which many life forms of the same kind will fall prey.
324. And that will also happen in this case because those who are jointly responsible and also those who are innocent will soon be attacked by the AIDS epidemic, including the heterosexuals, who are also designated as normal-sexual.
325. The AIDS epidemic is transmitted like any other dangerous venereal disease, so not only through direct contacts, especially through sexual activity, but also through blood kisses on mouth sores and through open wounds, and furthermore through indirect contacts, like the union with bloody saliva and blood transfusions, etc.
326. That the disease pathogens can fix themselves on certain materials, such as toilet bowls, glasses, towels, etc., and survive for a longer time and, thus, also act contagiously on other people, that’s not the case.
327. But as things stand, the AIDS pathogen, in this respect, also behaves the same as pathogens of other sexually transmitted diseases, as I already mentioned.
328. In each case, however, the Earth person must exercise the greatest caution; otherwise, the epidemic will begin to run rampant very quickly and will become global within the shortest time.
329. Direct sexual contact with strangers or such people, of whom one cannot be certain of their health to the greatest percent, should be avoided.
330. After hand greetings, the hands should be promptly cleaned again, and intimate greetings with a kiss and the like should be entirely omitted, as well as physical contacts of all sexual kinds – up to the unlawful custom of the Earth people of maintaining frequent sexual relations with other people, without it concerning their own, actual partners.
331. A bad habit that that is as against nature as sodomitic, degenerate homosexuality and sodomitic, degenerate bisexuality and even sodomy itself, which has already produced its first consequences, is the Caribbean HERPES, which is also a degenerate disease of incurable form and which can become so deadly in the foreseeable time and, under certain circumstances, may be incurable like the AIDS pandemic, if the Earth person does not immediately order a stop to his earth-sex sexual perversion.

Billy:
This can yet become cheerful.

Quetzal:
332. Unfortunately, these are not the only diseases and epidemics because in foreseeable times, still other and much worse ones will follow.
333. On the one hand, the new diseases and epidemics that are to be expected will result from people and from their own guilt in a direct form, but on the other hand, other indirect consequences will become apparent, through the destruction of nature by people as well as by animals and also through new pathogens of diseases and epidemics that will be brought in from the depths of space by the space capsules, etc., as well as in the future, through the national escape of old epidemics and diseases, which will spread anew when people flee into foreign countries as a result of the chaos of war and persecution, which will run more and more rampant in the coming time because millions of people will flee from their homelands.

Billy:
Again, that is well-known to me. But now, explain to me the concerns surrounding the plague.

Quetzal:
334. It doesn’t just concern the plague, over which I have to explain a few things to you, for many other pests, diseases, and epidemics are likewise to be mentioned.
335. The plague, for example, could have never claimed so many human lives on the Earth if the Earth people would have thought and acted rationally and also would have given sufficient attentiveness to their cleanliness.
336. Just like today, the Earth people already kept pets at early times, such as cats, dogs, and birds, etc.
337. This was an incomprehensible, irresponsible, and criminal act against human life because animals of each kind living in the direct living areas results in disease and downfall.
338. People who keep animals in their direct living areas deserve to be expelled from the human community and banished for so long, until they have deliberated themselves upon the truth and the right course of action because as a result of the animals living in the direct residential areas, not only do the owners become sick and susceptible to disease but also all other occupants in the same building.
339. In addition, it goes so far that these emerging diseases are displaced outwardly and, thus, other people are infected with them.
340. For this reason, no animals ever belong in the living spaces of people.
341. Yet now to the plague:
342. The main carrier of the disease was the rat, which was present everywhere in huge herds at the time of the plague.
343. At the same principle position, the housecat and the housedog, as well as the wild animals of these species, served as disease carriers in an indirect manner.
344. The parasites living on these animals, namely the fleas, were and still are responsible for the transmission of and the epidemic-like spread of diseases and epidemics.
345. In truth, it is only purely theoretically possible to keep pets without fleas.
346. But theory is of no use because both science, as well as the healthy common sense and practical knowledge of millenniums, prove that having pets without fleas is just a dream, without the possibility of realization.
347. Nevertheless, very many people who own pets deny that their animals are infested with fleas.
348. People even believe that fleas in pets could be kept within certain limits and that only morally depraved or unclean people or pets would have fleas.
349. But in truth, a successful freedom from fleas in animals is not at all possible, not even in the case of an almost superhuman cleanliness of a person.
350. The Earth person, who still believes that only wanderers could get fleas, underestimates the flea as he also overestimates the person.

Billy:
You speak to me from the heart, and moreover, may I once read to you something that I found in a small booklet?

Quetzal:
351. You make me curious.

Billy:
Good, then listen: here it is written: "the flea is not only incalculably far superior in number to all existing pets, together with all their owners and co-owners, but it also controls an arsenal of the most extremely refined tools and works only imaginable tricks with all of these. Thus, for at least 40 million years (fossilized fleas have been found in amber deposits from the Oligocene epoch), the flea has spread over the Earth in very numerous species." Ah, how many species actually are there on our Earth; do you know this?

Quetzal:
352. 17,684 are known to us.
353. The earthly scientists, etc. only know of about half.

Billy:
Well, no matter, whatever number might always be true, for here it is written that all fleas of the insect order SIPHONAPTERA belong to the so-called “sucking-wingless.” The name, as it is written here, describes the common flea quite accurately. The adults exclusively live off of warm blood, which they suck out of their victims, after they have drilled their sharp, flexible proboscis into the skin. Fleas are nearly rectangular in shape, have no neck, and thanks to their smooth sides, they are in a perfect position to slip through a thicket of fur hair, feathers, or warm underwear. At their feet, they have double claws, with which they can cling to the skin if they are in the mood for a meal.

Quetzal:
354. That is correct, and because that is so, the Earth person has another reason to pay extremely close attention to his hygiene and not allow there to be growth of hair in any places where the fleas feel most comfortable, particularly in the pubic area.
355. And because the Earth person’s pubic area is still covered with hair for a lot of evolution-obstructive reasons, it should be artificially depilated, for only in this way can it truly be kept hygienically clean.

Billy:
That’s what you just said. But good, here it is written further: “fleas are usually up to 5 millimeters long and strongly flattened on the sides. Every dog that’s ever crushed a flea between its teeth and every person who has ever tried to “crack” one between the fingernails knows what pressure this little animal endures. But it’s rather difficult to take the life of a flea; if someone has one, it’s almost impossible to catch it. It is simply the best jumper in the world. The human flea, for example, jumps 35 cm far and 20 cm high. A person with this leaping power could jump 150 meters far and 85 meters high. A comparatively large group of fleas goes about it completely differently. Chicken fleas and sand fleas, for example, don’t jump but rather bore themselves into the particularly inviting and sheltered spots of the skin of the victim and remain stuck there. They are particularly troublesome for beach-goers, who walk along barefoot or who sunbathe in the nude, lying face down in the sand, whereby the fleas press themselves, particularly with great pleasure, into the pubic area. In addition, they are also very troublesome for birds and especially for those people, of whom they penetrate under the toenails.”  You see, Quetzal, even here, a smart aleck writes about the flea in the pubic area.

Quetzal:
356. A certain degree of wisdom cannot be denied to the writer.

Billy:
Exactly, but listen further: usually, the fleas mate on the body of a warm-blooded host. In some species, like the human flea (Pulex irritans) for example, the male only mates after an abundant, satisfying blood meal. Only then does he go on the search for a female. When one considers how small such a flea is and how large a Danish mastiff is, it can become rather adventurous. Yet after a long stalking through fur or feathers, the male flea usually meets the object of his affection. But for insect relations, fleas are just not very fertile because a female, throughout the whole time of her reproductive period, only lays about a dozen eggs each time, so only a total of about 500. These white, oval eggs roll away from the body of the host animal and generally remain under carpets, in the cracks of wood, or in clothes, etc. – just everywhere where dust collects. Then, they hatch into small, maggot-shaped larva, which live on plant and animal waste. The larva then spins a cocoon, out of which the adult flea finally emerges. Fleas live relatively long, namely up to two and a half years, and they survive under all possible environmental conditions, except in extreme heat, cold, wetness, or dryness. They thrive best between temperatures of 18 and 37 degrees* and with an air humidity of 65-70 percent. One can readily see what place has ideal conditions and, at the same time, offers warm blood in large quantities: namely, the human habitation. Many warm-blooded animals have their own types of flea. In addition to the human flea, there are the cat, dog, chicken, bat, rat, rabbit, bird, fox, and horse flea, etc. (with which the list would still not be fulfilled or be complete for a very long time). Now, these aforementioned flea designations should not lead to wrong optimism, however, because a hungry flea of every kind – whether dog or cat flea, bird or rat flea – jumps on every host that it can reach, thus also on humans – on you and me.

*Translator’s Note: Americans should keep in mind that the Celsius scale, not the Fahrenheit scale, is the one commonly used in Switzerland.  Thus, if the degree unit isn’t specified, then the degree Celsius should be assumed.

Quetzal:
357. One moment, my friend, because in addition, I have to explain something with regard to the plague, also concerning the AIDS pandemic:
358. In addition to the rats, dogs and cats were and still are indirect culprits in the propagation of these and other epidemics.
359. The reason is that they are inhabited by a large number of fleas, which are, in turn, the best carriers of all diseases and epidemics.
360. Even immune, they jump from host to host, to stab him with their trunk in order to get to the blood and, at the same time, infect the host with diseases and epidemics.
361. If the flea pricks the host, then at the same time, proteins infected with pathogens of diseases and epidemics are injected into the tiny wound, which first causes irritation, itching, and swelling, according to which the pathogens of diseases and epidemics then start to become active.
362. Thus, not only did the rat become a deadly spreader of disease through the folly of the Earth people but also cats and dogs, which were disastrously kept by the people as pets and, in spite of everything, are still kept in the same irresponsible manner to this very day.
363. The fleas carried by cats and dogs jumped onto animals, such as the rats, which were the carriers of the bubonic plague at that time.
364. The fleas then pricked the animals infected with the pathogens of diseases or epidemics and sucked up the blood containing the epidemic agents or pathogens.
365. Thus, the plague bacillus was received from the rats by cat fleas and dog fleas, which were then transported to domestic animals of the same kind and so were carried by cats and dogs into the immediate area of the person and into his residential premises, where the infected fleas then jumped onto people and infected them with the bubonic plague bacillus, which cost the lives of about 50 million people during the time of the last plague – as a result of their own insanity and through their own lack of hygiene, for they kept domestic animals in their own residential premises or came into direct contact with such animals and even caressed them – which is still insanely and irresponsibly the case with the Earth people today, by what means such events can recently appear and which, in fact, are present.

Billy:
But the pathogens, by which a flea is infected, also ultimately kill the flea, if I am correctly oriented. Bacilli, viruses, and other agents of disease or pathogens are true monsters that destroy everything in final consequence.

Quetzal:
366. That is correct because even a flea is killed by the pathogens over time, but usually not through the outbreak of the disease in itself because the rule is that the flea itself is immune to it.
367. Thus, other factors appear with it, which bring it to death.
368. For example, with the infection of the bubonic plague bacillus, it happens that the plague bacilli collect in small bundles in the stomach of the flea and soon block and clog the pylorus.*
369. Thus, the flea falls into a regular feeding frenzy, and it just eats and sucks up only as much as what is possible for it, as it jumps from one host to another.

*Translator’s Note: the “pylorus” is the stomach exit of the flea.

Billy:
And with each pass, a new injection of the plague and, thus, death are dispensed.

Quetzal:
370. An inevitable result.

Billy:
I have also learned that even the flea itself is used as a host, by microscopic parasites and even by certain mites, which can be transported around by it, as the flea lets itself be carried around by hosts, by animals and humans. In addition, the parasites clinging to the fleas are also carriers of diseases and epidemics.

Quetzal:
371. That, too, is correct.
372. Nevertheless, there are not only the fleas and their parasites that displace diseases and epidemics but also the person himself.
373. He often continues to displace diseases and epidemics through his irrationality, through his impurity, or through foolishness and ignorance.
374. It is also like this in the case of HERPES and the AIDS epidemic.
375. So for example, there are various vaccines against other diseases that, through carelessness, negligence, desire for profit, and depravity, are contaminated with pathogens of Herpes and AIDS, whereby the epidemics become indirectly transmitted and displaced.
376. Furthermore, this is also the case with blood plasma, whereby especially HEMOPHILIACS get sick with the AIDS epidemic.
377. Then, also the factor of those who are addicted to medicines, alcohol, and drugs should be noted, whose physical defense systems are already impaired by addictions and which accordingly exhibit particularly strong susceptibility to such epidemics.
378. Even with the pestilence, it was already the case then, but in much smaller measures, for the only hallucinogens at that time were the very common drugs, namely opium, which then held the role of a fashion agent.
379. But the main causes of the transmission of the plague and the epidemics were the rats, dogs, and cats, with which the flea carried the transmitters.
380. The main cause in the future, however, will be the person himself, and AIDS will only be the first world-wide epidemic that he will allow to run rampant, whereby the relentlessly rising overpopulation of other deadly diseases will be generated, through which some day, a violent decimation of mankind will result.

Billy:
If you will, I have some interesting sentences here that relate to this, which I would like to read to you.

Quetzal:
381. Then let me hear.

Billy:
Good - it is written here: “As a rule, a person has adept fingers and hands, very little hair, and is in the habit of washing himself with soap and water, by what means he can somewhat keep the flea away from the body. However, this is only to some extent because in regards to keeping oneself completely free of fleas (also of lice and other parasites), a person is not capable of this, and animals are all the less capable of do so, which themselves can never be freed from this vermin, even with the most thorough cleaning by chemical means. Nevertheless, a person can extensively protect himself through extreme cleanliness, largely because his sparse hair growth allows this cleanliness to be possible, whereby it must be ensured that hair growth is removed from all places where cleanliness is naturally impeded and where, as a remnant of early human physical development, hair hasn’t disappeared yet, and in this regard, the pubic hair portion is being addressed. This is a portion of the human body that requires quite special attention and cleanliness and which corresponds to a particular popularity of fleas, lice, and other parasites, as well as direct pathogens of diseases and epidemics, which is why the pubic area should not only be maintained more and be submitted to a thorough cleaning at least twice a day, at least in the morning and in the evening, but also that the pubic hair should be removed most thoroughly, and the pubic area should be kept free of a lot of hair, such as by shaving or depilatories.  This ca…”

Quetzal:
382. This is extremely interesting; from what kind of writing have you taken this article?

Billy:
It’s just a pamphlet entitled: "Time-bomb epidemic and illness." As author of the article, here is Albert Linden. Here is the year 1968. Any more doesn’t arise from it.  There’s an introduction written here: “With the permission of the Medical Council.” But information on the country of origin, etc. is missing.

Quetzal:
383. That really isn’t important.
384. It would have only interested me as to how the author’s strength has discovered the truth, also with regard to the pubic hair and the need for its removal.

Billy:
Unfortunately, that isn’t clear from the article, but continue to hear what is written here.

Quetzal:
385. Can you then leave me the writing?

Billy:
Of course, but now listen: “Animals are much worse off than humans, for they can never submit themselves to such a self-cleaning, as this is possible for the person. However, a person is not and will never be in a position to clean an animal or keep it pure in such a way that it would actually be freed from parasites. So that the person may suffer no harm, there is only the precaution of thorough cleanliness, wherein also public employment is included and also the basic implementation of the fact that never and under no circumstances can animals and birds of all kinds find entrance and a place in the direct or indirect residential premises of people.”

Quetzal:
386. And it’s also fundamentally important to note here that after contact with animals, the person should immediately and thoroughly cleanse the affected areas of his body, as he should also never caress the animals’ mouths, etc., as is morbidly and wrongly done on the Earth very frequently.
387. But if people do this anyways, then they must absolutely ensure that, at least, no intimate touching and the like take place, such as kissing, for such people are undoubtedly infected by pathogens that were transmitted by animals and which exhibit periods of outbreak up to 7 or even 50 years, such as with the next upcoming epidemic, “Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy,” or BSE for short, also called mad cow disease, which will become dangerous for the person in form of the Creutzfeldt-Jakob syndrome, about which you must remain publicly silent, however, until the year 1990.

Billy:
With the periods of outbreak, do you mean the incubation time, during which the body develops the disease or epidemic and breaks out if the pathogens are not completely neutralized or eliminated by the body’s self-defense system?

Quetzal:
388. That is correct.
389. But with that, we should now conclude this subject again because there are still many things to mention which have reference to other concerns.

Billy:
From my side, you can continue with the predictions. We stopped at the AIDS epidemic, of which you said that it will have a greater impact in Switzerland, etc. already in the middle of the year 1983 and this through the medical profession or the like, and through public communication and publication means, everything will be minimized in order to avoid a panic.

Quetzal:
390. Right, but regarding this, I forgot to mention that this trivialization will also sometimes arise from irresponsibility and ignorance.

Billy:
Humans of the Earth are just a miracle of impropriety.

Quetzal:
391. One can actually say that in very many relationships.

Billy:
That’s why I say it, yes.

Quetzal:
392. But now, we really should go on, my friend.

Billy:
Then go already.

Quetzal:
393. Do you still remember the assassination attempt on the Pope?

Billy:
How could I not?

Quetzal:
394. Very well; indeed, it was just a question because the consequences will continue for a long time.

Billy:
You mean that the relevant things aren’t concluded yet and that even further impacts will arise from this?

Quetzal:
395. That is correct because in the middle of the year 1983, further consequences will arise in this connection.

Billy:
Then speak at last, and don’t let yourself unbutton each word individually.

Quetzal:
396. The assassin is to be set free as a result of extortionate kidnapping.
397. Therefore, a younger girl will be kidnapped, so that the Italian government will be forced by extortion to release the murderer and assassin Ali Agca.

Billy:
And, will this succeed – and also, how will the dishonest Pope express himself? Yet he is too cowardly to put in a word for the fact that the assassin be set free because he fears too much for his miserable life.

Quetzal:
398. I will talk about the success or failure later.
399. Yes, you’re right about the Pope:
400. He is a coward, which is why he will not advocate, at least the first time, with a word for the release of the murderer and assassin and, thus, for the preservation of the life of the girl.
401. He will only do it when he can be sure of his life in good measure.
402. But he does not care about the life of the girl in any way.
403. In every case, he is only concerned about his own advantage and only acts if it strengthens his image.

Billy:
Presumably, he will only speak a word when the child is beyond help. As I estimate the guy, it cannot be otherwise.

Quetzal:
404. Unfortunately, you hit the truth, but continue to listen because accordingly, there are still more things that will be of importance for the people of the Earth, even though it will only be so because everything will be hyped.
405. The next such event will take place around the month of September, but the date remains unclear.
406. At this coming time, a Korean passenger jet will be shot down by the Russian air defense, to which approximately 270 people will fall victim.
407. And it will happen that the whole world will grumble against the Russians and, at other times, will do more injustice to this nation, despite the fact that Israel, for example, has already done the same and that the airspace damage of the Korean airplane will be steered by secret American forces.
408. This will be for provocation and in connection with disarmament negotiations between Russia and America, which will take place at that time in Geneva.
409. Of course, what happens over time in the interests of the Earthlings will flatten out again but will reach the Americans, and in particular, president Reagan, marked by deceit and war addiction, will be the reason why the Russians will fall into the crossfire of a worldwide protest, which will be accepting to Reagan's plans.

Billy:
I received several letters from America, and they clearly show that the Americans want to own the weapons monopoly over the Earth, whereby they are also seeking the status of a military world police power, in order to be able to control everything. I will present these letters to you next time.

Quetzal:
410. Unfortunately, that is correct because the aspiration of the Americans actually lies in that direction, whereby they even have the audacity, under the guise of peacekeeping and peacemaking, to interfere in foreign affairs and allow military forces to break into foreign countries.
411. But at least in Lebanon, they will pay dearly because as a look into the future has shown, the American peacekeeping forces will suffer heavy losses by an Arab suicide mission around the 20th of October 1983, when Palestinian forces load a truck with explosives and drive into the headquarters of the Americans in order to detonate the load there, as this will also be the case in the headquarters of the French troops in Lebanon.
412. Unfortunately, things aren’t yet recognized quite clearly in this respect, but there will likely be 250 to 300 deaths.
413. But for this, the Americans are expected to prepare an evil retaliatory strike because the vindictiveness and war-addiction of President Reagan knows no boundaries.
414. In addition, he will already allow a new act of war to be carried out just days after the attack and will let American troops invade the island of Grenada, which again will result in many deaths.

Billy:
And of course, Reagan will again find a justification for this, which is apart from himself.

Quetzal:
415. Unfortunately, that will again be so, for the Earth people are blind and deaf to the truth, even in other things, as represented by the military.
416. It is especially like this in reference to earthquakes because it simply doesn’t want to be recognized that many of the earthquakes are only triggered by the fault of the person, as this will also be the case with the quake that will take place around the turn of October and November in northeast Turkey, to which approximately 2,150 people will fall victim.

Billy:
So this would have to be in Kars or Erzurum again, right?

Quetzal:
417. That is correct because the district Erzurum will be the part that will mainly be affected the most.
418. An area that you know very well.
419. However, this won’t be the only earthquake at this time because still another area that is well-known to you will be shaken by a heavy quake only about ten days later, so namely Liège and the closer and wider environment, but mainly only property damage will result, fortunately with only a few deaths, which will hardly be three.
420. But otherwise, a larger disaster will occur again only a few days later, when the Americans will irresponsibly bring new combat missiles into Europe, namely into England for the time being, even though the disarmament negotiations in Geneva won’t yet have prospered so far that even just a prospect for a solution would be evident.

Billy:
Aha, at the same time, I remember the prophecies that speak of the fact that the Great Bear will break in over the North Sea coming into England. When I consider this in such a way, the missiles could very well be a reason, perhaps, why an attack on England takes place in the distant future.

Quetzal:
421. Your reasoning isn’t wrong because the reasons very well lie therein, but the missiles are not the direct, pivotal point.
422. They are, however, an unmistakable sign of the time of the fulfillment of the prophecies, as will also be the enormous peace demonstrations that will find their implementation in many European countries and primarily in Germany, only a few days earlier, before the Americans bring their combat missiles into England.

Billy:
I understand; it means that somewhere, the call for peace in a hundred thousand-fold form speaks of that time when the world events cannot be delayed any more; thus, the prophecies must be fulfilled, and the Third World War will come soon. "And truly only a miracle can still save the world and the people, who summon in unison the death and destruction, even though their cry is for peace and rest." That’s what one says, if I’m not mistaken.

Quetzal:
423. You are not mistaken, and your words are correct and accurate, as they are given by this prophecy.
424. This prophecy, however, is not given to Earth humanity; rather, it comes from the stock of prophecies that are given to the prophets alone and where the data of events is contained and about which, silence must be preserved, in order not to provoke something that can still be prevented by sufficient reason, nevertheless.

Billy:
Of course, that’s true, and I also comply with this provision. Never have I mentioned the contents of these prophecies in such a way that accurate data could be taken from it. Moreover, everything can first be prevented.

Quetzal:
425. The speech wasn’t about that, but I am surprised that you talk about that.

Billy:
It just momentarily escaped me, in what connection I know these prophecies. My head and my memory have often given me difficulties since my accident and the serious concussion.

Quetzal:
426. That is understandable, but you should allow yourself more rest, which you now actually need very much more than ever before.

Billy:
Alright, but you know that sometimes, I just have rather large difficulties with my memory, so now I currently dig around in notes in order to reacquaint myself with everything that has escaped me, as for example the note that I have here regarding information that Semjase once gave to me.  It says here: “Vega forms a new planetary system,” and here, “the dust rings around the SOL system,” and here, “the two other planets in the SOL system.” With regard to these notes, I would like to know from you what it’s all about, for I don’t exactly remember.

Quetzal:
427. About that, nothing should officially become known to the Earth people yet, for first toward the end of the year 1983 might the time be ripe for that.
428. But if until then, you do not provide the information to the Earth people, then I may well be helpful to you in short form:
429. Concerning Vega, your note refers to the fact that in the area of Vega and Lyra, a cosmic process takes place, which produces new stars.
430. This is a fact that is still unknown to the Earth scientists, but it will be grasped in the near future.
431. Your note regarding the dust rings around the SOL system presumably may have been made by you with regard to a conversation, in which Semjase explained to you the origin of the various fine dust rings around the SOL system, about which you were surprised at that time, when you became aware of them.
432. And in…

Billy:
Aha, now it dawns on me again, but just tell me more. If one throws me a stone, then I can fathom the approach.

Quetzal:
433. That is understandable and good, but hear, now, what the note means with regard to the two other planets in the SOL system.
434. It probably involves the explanation of Semjase that the Sun is orbited by two dwarf planets, which have remained hidden to the terrestrial scientists until now and which orbit very far beyond Pluto’s orbit around the SOL system.

Billy:
Oh, I see; then it concerns the explanations pertaining to the yet undiscovered minor planets Elin and Anar, as you call them; although, in certain Earth circles, there are, indeed, speculations over the existence of other planets, and in addition, one of the two unknowns is called UNI or Trans-Pluto.

Quetzal:
435. That is correct.

*Translator's Note: The following portion was translated into English by Dyson Devine and Vivienne Legg.

Billy:
Good. But now I have yet another question, which is important to me and also to other people. It deals with that which was explained to me by you, being that, on Earth, alterations have come about in the atomic structure of some constituents, and indeed through the fault of the Earth humans. If I remember correctly about that, it was said to me then, that everything can be up to about 2,000 years older or younger than can be analyzed using the best methods.

Quetzal:
436. It has th…

Billy:
Excuse me please, but I want to retell everything myself, because I also want to establish whether my memory still functions correctly. The precise erroneous number of years should amount to about 2,000, so, therefore, in each case this number of years must be added to or subtracted from a result.

Quetzal:
437. That is of correctness, yet the details relating to this would lead too far, were we to now once again discuss them thoroughly.

Billy:
Good. Then in the course of time, in the near future, I will write an article for the Aquarian Age, that thoroughly engages this theme, and which I can then attach as an addendum, so to speak, to this contact report, if that is acceptable to you.

Quetzal:
438. I am in agreement with that, yet you should only attach the article to the contact report once you have provided it to me for inspection, so mistakes can be avoided.

Billy:
Naturally, I am in agreement with that.

*Translator's Note: The following is the supplemented section.

Explanation in Accord with the Preceding Conversation:

The number of years in the data - given here again - in the cited list, in no way tallies with the numbers of years in the data which have been produced by terrestrial scientists. The difference between the Plejarens' data and that of the Earth scientists amounts to about 2,000 years, for which the Plejaren have, however, provided a plausible explanation, which will certainly be distasteful to the Earth scientists, who carry out all possible and impossible things with the most modern instruments and dating analysis methods. It has been explained by the Plejaren that the terrestrial dating instruments and apparatus, and also the purely chemical dating processes, are very well polished and are largely precise, so, good and, in part, even nearly precise dating results can be established by the scientists, but that, however, erroneous results appear with dating processes with certain materials which have an age dating back to before 1,438 B.C., whereby a margin of error of up to 1,942 years can result. And this occurs in the form - as was explained by the Plejaren - that, a material which originates before 1,438 years B.C. has suffered an atomic radiation, whereby 1,942 years of the decaying process are simply missing. This, as it has been explained, impairs the precise measurement of the decay of the half-life of certain materials by up to 1,942 years, whereby the result is that everything which is, for example, measured and analyzed as originating 1,450 years B.C., can actually be up to 1,942 years older, so in this case, therefore, originating 3,392 years B.C., because 1,450 B.C. and 1,942 results in 3,392 B.C. Concerning this, it has been further said by the Plejaren that this stark alteration in certain materials of the Earth has come about because the Earth human, in his insanity, has evoked atomic and chemical processes in all spheres (as for example, the lithosphere/biosphere, atmosphere, chromosphere, stratosphere, and so forth) which engender certain radiations which influence and alter certain materials on the Earth in such a way that disturbances in the atomic balance and molecular balance appeared and provoked alterations in various materials with origins dating back to before 1,438 years B.C. So, as it was explained, entire half-life structures have been eradicated, so a precise analysis is only still possible if the half-life structures' missing time of 1,942 is added to, or subtracted from, the obtained result in each case, if the obtained dating amounts to an origin earlier than 1,438 years B.C. Hence, and because of this, for example, also the difference that appears between the Plejaren data and the Earth scientists' is explainable, thus, for example, in the case of the Santorini catastrophe and the time of Moses, which is stated by the Earth scientists as being circa 1,500 B.C., while the Plejaren give the time 3,453 B.C. The Plejaren data for the time of Moses and the Santorini catastrophe, up to the year 1,511 B.C., indicates a difference of 1,942 years, so therefore the difference to the terrestrial scientists' assumptions that the history of Santorini and Moses took place around the time of 1,500 B.C. An assumption, which is understandable, if one thinks that they do not include the missing 1,942 years - of the change and alteration of certain terrestrial matter - in their calculations because they lack the necessary knowledge of these facts.

Through the Plejarens' statements and clarifications it is also clear that, through the Earth humans' lack of reason and his insanity, already certain parts of terrestrial material, right to the core of the planet, have suffered an irreparable change and alteration, whereby a precise dating of various materials can differ by 1,942 years or more and have a greater age, if this material dates back to before 1,438 years B.C. In and of itself, this plays no great role, if ages of millions or billions of years are being calculated, but these facts play an important role, if, for example authentication of historical dates is to be produced, because, in every case, up to 1,942 years are missing if the material for analysis dates back to before 1,438 years B.C. Through that, a completely different picture emerges in the entire historical research of the early history of humanity, and suddenly many previously unsolved puzzles would be explainable just with reference to the additional passages of time. The conclusion from this should be that the Earth human dedicates himself less to his megalomania, and indulges less in it, and instead occupies himself more with the truth and with his overflowing insanity so he dismantles this and accepts and follows the actual truth. That would namely lead to him beginning to live correctly and laying aside his ambitions which are anchored in greed, hate and power, as well as in addiction to profit, and leading a life favorable to Creation. For, truly, the Earth human is not the only form of human in the universe and, relative to all that exists, he is less than a flea in infinite space. Let him therefore be taught by those who come to Earth from the depths of outer space, who bring the truth to the Earth humans and endeavor to bring Creation's laws and commandments to the human of the blue planet, and thereby truth, wisdom, knowledge and true love.

Billy

*End of supplemented section and end of Dyson Devine's and Vivienne Legg's translated portion.

Quetzal:
439. Then I can continue with my remarks?

Billy:
Sure, because at the moment, I have no further questions.

Quetzal:
440. Also, if possible, we should now remain with my remarks, for I still have a few things to explain.

Billy:
Of course, but if questions go hunting through my head, then I must give you these; otherwise, I’ll forget them. You know, nevertheless, my mind and memory.

Quetzal:
441. That is correct.
442. I will take that into consideration.

Billy:
For which I am really grateful to you.

Quetzal:
443. So be it, but now, I really should devote myself to my remarks again.

Billy:
Then fire away, at last.

Quetzal:
444. Next, I have to report from the months of November and December, during which a great deal of new and malevolent acts of war will arise in Lebanon, where the Americans will officially intervene in the fighting but under the guise of self-defense.

Billy:
This, of course, is only a pretext.

Quetzal:
445. That is correct.
446. The same or similar pretexts or even wrong, invented pretexts will also be decisive for many other events of the future, whereby also the members, friends, and acquaintances of your group and, perhaps, even you will suffer harm.
447. The course is already set to proceed with intrigues against the truth and, therefore, against you and the mission.
448. In the future, even the authorities will no longer shriek back from lies and intrigues, and with purchased false witnesses, they will work against you and the truth and against the group members and your friends, acquaintances, and advocates.
449. These authorities fear the truth and you and all those who are associated with you, just as you are also feared by the wrong UFO groups and UFO organizations, which will also pull together and will newly take to the field with bribed authorities, having fresh power against you and the truth.
450. Ways are already being prepared in order to spread, in the most infamous ways, new lies against you and the mission and, thus, against us, whereby they won’t hold back from heavily burdening innocent people with false accusations and false testimonies in order to discredit them in such a way that imprisonments and other harsh and unjustified punitive measures could result for those who are innocent.
(Florena’s Note - 1/1/2004: This later happened, for example, in the case of Wendelle C. Stevens.)*
451. And these could encounter any one of your group members, as well as you yourself or your friends or acquaintances in every country of the Earth, where they always live, go, and dwell.
452. Since the authoritative powers of the UFO organizations couldn’t align anything against you, the truth, the mission, and us with their recent slanderous actions, they are now trying to take action against you and the truth and against the mission and us through joint intrigues with the authorities, by inventing false allegations and by bringing in perjurers who, with good remuneration, are willing to swear to the wrong UFO organizations and the authorities and other forces of defamation; thus, they conjure up lies as truth and make false accusations, which are directed against you and the truth and against the mission and against us, but they are also directed against all those who represent our mission and the truth and you, so therefore your immediate group members, your friends, acquaintances, and advocates and all those involved with you in any other way or who insert a word for you.

*Translator’s Note: Florena’s note above likely refers to the charge that was brought against Wendelle Stevens in 1983, which was briefly mentioned in the Author’s Note of Gary Kinder’s book: Light Years: An Investigation into the Extraterrestrial Experiences of Eduard Meier and to which Kal K. Korff devoted an entire chapter in his book: Spaceships of the Pleiades: The Billy Meier Story.  Despite the fact that Wendelle pled guilty to the child molestation charges, the note of Florena, one of the Plejarens, indicates that Wendelle was truly innocent of such a crime and that he was likely threatened to plead guilty due to his close involvement in the UFO phenomenon.  One can only imagine what the consequences would have been for Wendelle and/or those who were close to him if he had not pled guilty.

Billy:
You speak as though it might happen to us really badly.

Quetzal:
453. That is correct because even murder and deliberate misrepresentation of justice may emerge, as well as betrayal within your own ranks, which will extend into the immediate family, as well as possibly kidnapping and extortion, but certainly renewed assassination attempts, which you already know too well and have experienced.

Billy:
This comes somewhat suddenly, what you say here.

Quetzal:
454. This is not so sudden because everything was set long in advance, whereby the first steps toward these intrigues have already been taken, about which I may not inform you now, however.
455. Anyhow, it is such that for you and all your friends, group members, and for your acquaintances and advocates, from now on, extreme caution is necessary, for now, the true enemies will not shy away from any intrigues, even if these will still be so common and destructive and murderous, whereby it must be said that first and foremost, everything will be specifically aligned toward your own person, so less toward the group members.

Billy:
Does the US film of Larry Young, perhaps, play a part in this?

Quetzal:
456. That is correct because the film has set in motion all sorts of things and hasn’t caused a particularly mild shock to those who have worked by all means against you and our mission and, therefore, against the truth, and in particular, the MUFON and Jim Lorenzen stand in the foreground as a front of a world-wide combat group against you and the truth and, thus, against us and our common mission.

Billy:
Nevertheless, I will not give up.

Quetzal:
457. This decision lies solely with you and your group members because you are those who are exposed to the actual and direct battle, even though you initially suffered other injuries and you still remain spared in a direct form, which can soon change, nevertheless, if the betrayal comes to you.

Billy:
Then the betrayal should just come.

Quetzal:
458. It will be, and you can be sure that various group members will also contribute due damage to this, which won’t exactly be light.
459. It even must be counted on, and it is certain that by unreasonableness and injustice, your family connections will be destroyed.

Billy:
Then it can still become really cheerful.

Quetzal:
460. That is correct, but unfortunately, this won’t change in any way because it is also based on the principle that the grain must be separated from the chaff.
461. But concerning this, we should have spoken enough now, for I still have to inform you of other things:
462. Around the 9th of February 1984, a change will arise in the world-political scene again because the Russian ruler Juri Andropov will depart from this life and be replaced by a man named Chernenko.
463. What will emerge from this can’t accurately be predicted yet because things are still unclear for them to be calculated.

Billy:
Certainly, a lot won't change, right?

Quetzal:
464. Everything is still unclear, as I already said.

Billy:
Then just not.

Quetzal:
465. About a month after these events, something new is expected to happen because once again, an ancient prophecy will start to become fulfilled.
466. Surely, you can remember that in reference to the prophecies, one spoke of the fact that in Egypt, a village would be exposed in the desert, which would be a sign of the times?

Billy:
Yes, I remember that; why?

Quetzal:
467. About a month after Andropov’s death, a sandstorm at that place will expose a building, which will then ultimately lead to the discovery of the ancient village in the vicinity of the Nile, as it was prophesied.
468. This will result because the relative archaeological work and nature will work more intensively after the new discovery.

Billy:
It’s good that you speak of this: I once received a prophecy, according to which at a certain time, the volcano Vesuvius should erupt.

Quetzal:
469. You’ve become forgetful, my friend, because the two of us have also spoken together about this, but I’ll tell you again that this eruption of the volcano should actually take place if inconsistencies don’t arise in the whole situation.
470. And the eruption should be one of the last signs of the fact that a Third World War can no longer be prevented under any circumstances and will come thereafter in the foreseeable future, but always to the extent that the prophecy would be fulfilled and that it wouldn’t become null and void as a result of reasonable changes.

Billy:
Right, now I remember again. You know, sometimes, I have so much running around in my head that somehow, I can no longer recall things at the right time.

Quetzal:
471. However, as a person, you adapt yourself more than just very good, my friend, and I often ask myself how you endure the human condition in general.
472. With your origin, your human body must prepare and must have always prepared evil sufferings for you, but just that you can endure this proves to me that even I could never take your place.
473. For this, one must have already had a very long material life behind himself, in order to be able to endure such torments in a susceptible host body.

Billy:
I do dream back sometimes – as a person can do this, you know?

Quetzal:
474. Very well, my friend, but I could not endure it, nevertheless, because I’m just not capable of it yet as a human being, as well as all other humans.
475. Hell must truly be tantamount to another paradise for you.

Billy:
Sometimes, I feel a bit helpless and miserable, especially when loneliness becomes too oppressive.  But let’s leave this because you have other things that must be said.

Quetzal:
476. That is correct, even if there isn’t a lot to report for the time being.
477. What is moving, perhaps, is that in the middle of the year, the Pope will now visit Switzerland.
478. This will, at least, interest the Catholic world.
479. Then, in late July and into August, severe thunderstorms will afflict many countries, whereby also Switzerland will be hit hard, as well as Germany, Russia, India, Australia, Korea, and Mexico.
480. Moreover, in the Philippines, there will be more than 200 people killed by a hurricane.

Billy:
Then the environment strikes back once again, which is hard pressed and destroyed by mankind.  But for this, I just have a question, namely in relation to the decline of nature, particularly the trees. Surely, you can tell me what the main factor actually is, which causes nature to be dying.

Quetzal:
481. Do you primarily address the decline of forests?

Billy:
Yes, and I am also interested in how high the percentage will be in Europe in the autumn of 1984.

Quetzal:
482. You speak of the percentage of the affected forest area?

Billy:
Excuse me if I expressed myself unclearly. Yes, I speak of this.

Quetzal:
483. As our calculations yield, already by the autumn of 1984, 54% of the supply of trees in Europe will be damaged due to illness.
484. This is the average of our calculations.

Billy:
And what is the principal and most toxic substance that will allow nature to die?

Quetzal:
485. For this, as we can presently determine, the chief fault lies with the electromagnetic radiation and the lead gasoline, which are used for a variety of means of transportation and commercial machines.
486. The gasoline contains Tetra-ethyl lead, which passes through the exhaust pipes and into the open air.
487. But there, it changes under the solar radiation into triethyl lead.
488. This is a highly toxic substance that causes cancerous diseases and which is also taken up by the trees and plants, etc.

Billy:
And how long does it take, then, until the trees, for example, get sick?

Quetzal:
489. It depends on the circumstances.
490. It is certain that the poison has a very large, long-term effect.
491. Thus, in already poisoned trees, the diseases often only appear years later.
492. The needle-leaf trees are primarily endangered by this because as a rule, they take in 12 times more toxins than normal-leaf trees.

Billy:
That’s also why the conifers become sick first.

Quetzal:
493. Where the leaf-trees, however, don’t become spared; it’s just that they will get sick later since they absorb fewer toxins.

Billy:
But all other toxins are also decisive, right?

Quetzal:
494. That is correct.
495. Lead gasoline, along with the electromagnetic radiation, is just another main factor in the chain of natural death.
496. Only a complete ban on these substances could provide quick and effective relief.

Billy:
Humans aren’t so clever and life-loving, however.

Quetzal:
497. If nature dies, then life also dies, especially since the trees, after plankton, are the other main suppliers of oxygen.

Billy:
That’s right, and if the trees are gone, then life starts to die in general because the oxygen becomes more and more scarce.

Quetzal:
498. That is correct.
499. The electromagnetic radiation must be curbed immediately and the diesel and lead gasoline engines should be banned as soon as possible because they are really large culprits in the health of nature and humans.
500. But the people of the Earth will discover this for themselves, shortly before that prophecy is fulfilled, which you received from Petale on the 30th of January 1976.

Billy:
At the moment, I cannot remember what prophecy this concerns.

Quetzal:
501. It is that one which speaks of the Scorpion.

Billy:
Ah, now I remember. It says in that prophecy that shortly before the monsoon season, in the country of the Elephant and the Peacock, the reigning Scorpion will die. In addition, if I have understood this prophecy correctly, then the death of the Scorpion should result through force.

Quetzal:
502. That is correct, but talk of a forcible death of the Scorpion only appears in the prophecy in a hidden form.

Billy:
Yes, I remember. Then Indira Gandhi in India will be murdered because she holds the office of Prime Minister at the time.

Quetzal:
503. That is correct.

Billy:
Her astrological sign is Scorpio.

Quetzal:
504. And also in the month of Scorpio, she will be murdered, namely on the 31st of October, 1984.

Billy:
And who will commit the crime?

Quetzal:
505. It will be her own people, so namely men of her bodyguard.

Billy:
And who will take over the office of Prime Minister for her? Is that already certain?

Quetzal:
506. That is, likewise, already determined.
507. Indira Gandhi’s son, Rajiv, will assume office.

Billy:
And, will one catch the assassin?

Quetzal:
508. There will be several, at least three.
509. As our preview showed, one will be shot, one will be critically injured, and a third will be arrested.

Billy:
Yes, and how will Indira Gandhi be killed, then?

Quetzal:
510. By shots – she will be hit by ten of them.

Billy:
A true slaughter – and one cannot do anything about this again, right?

Quetzal:
511. You should know that such an endeavor would be futile because things that are determined in such a way are the equivalent of an unchangeable programming, so they are unstoppable.

Billy:
And what is the reason for the murder?

Quetzal:
512. Indira Gandhi will make the Sikhs mortal enemies to herself in the course of the year 1984, and these will then let her be murdered out of revenge.
513. But with the assassination, there is still an element of uncertainty in the sense that it isn’t quite clear whether the third assassin is of the party of the one who is to be wounded.
514. Thus, it could be that three as well as only two bodyguards will be involved in the assassination attempt.
515. What is still to be mentioned in this case is that the death of the Prime Minister will trigger a campaign of revenge throughout India against the religious members of the bodyguard, who will fall victim to 2,700 people.

Billy:
Then a great deal will happen there in India.

Quetzal:
516. That will be a fact.

Billy:
But this also isn’t likely to change.

Quetzal:
517. No, but the events won’t occupy the world public for too long because the choice of the American president will outplay this event a few days later.

Billy:
And who will be the new president?

Quetzal:
518. As things develop until then, Ronald Reagan will be re-elected.

Billy:
Are you sure of that?  What a stupid question.

Quetzal:
519. Naturally.

Billy:
I already said that I asked a stupid question. If you weren’t sure, then you wouldn’t have said it.

Quetzal:
520. That is correct.

Billy:
And what is the next incident?

Quetzal:
521. Perhaps it would be worth mentioning that Ethiopia will once again suffer from a massive famine, but this will already be at hand much earlier than the assassination attempt in India.

Billy:
Do you mean, nevertheless, that the largest effects will appear around the time of the assassination attempt?

Quetzal:
522. No, for the effects will already be very devastating much earlier.
523. What I want to say is that in the course of that time, the world public will first be made properly aware of this catastrophe; thus, the famine will then become a world interest.

Billy:
Oh, I see, and the problem can be solved, then?

Quetzal:
524. No, of course not, for there won’t be enough assistance.

Billy:
As this is always so in such cases. Moreover, I think that such assistance only enlarges the problem.

Quetzal:
525. That is correct because each assistance provided in such concerns magnifies a problem.
526. Each assistance isn’t used where it would have to be used.
527. The rule with the Earth people is that they always only consider assistance in the face of hunger.

Billy:
Whereby they then overlook the main evils and problems, and they neither fight against these nor resolve them in any way.

Quetzal:
528. That is correct, my friend.
529. You have recognized things correctly.

Billy:
With the ring of Neptune, if the people of the Earth would let themselves be led and taught, then a lot of the evil of this world could lie in overpopulation.

Quetzal:
530. That is absolutely correct.
531. The majority of all vile things, machinations, and catastrophes must be searched for in overpopulation.
532. But I never talked to you about the other matter.
533. How do you know that?

Billy:
I don’t understand you?

Quetzal:
534. You spoke of the ring of Neptune.
535. According to my knowledge, I’ve never told you that even this planet has a ring.

Billy:
Oh, I see; Semjase used this expression once, after which I asked her for the meaning. She then explained to me that even Neptune has a ring, like all the giant planets of the SOL system. So thus, my wisdom.

Quetzal:
536. Semjase shouldn’t have done that, for this fact still isn’t known to the Earth people.
537. Yet it has happened, and on the other hand, this truth will, indeed, be discovered in the coming years.

Billy:
So it will soon no longer be a secret.

Quetzal:
538. That is correct.
539. But now, hear what will happen further in the coming time:
540. On Monday, November 19, 1984, a great gas-catastrophe will occur in Mexico City, and about 450 people will die.
541. However, this disaster will only be the beginning of a whole number of smaller gas-catastrophes all over the world.
542. But only a short time after Mexico City, so we have calculated, an even more enormous gas-catastrophe will break out in India, in Bhopal, which will demand 2,562 human lives, while tens of thousands of other people will suffer from poisoning and long-term damage.
543. Like in many other cases of catastrophes on the Earth, however, the actual number of victims won’t be mentioned and will be understated, which will naturally result in a false picture.
544. Then, after the catastrophe in Bhopal, nothing really will appear, which would be worth mentioning since it won’t be world-moving.
545. First with the date of the 10th of March 1985 does an event then follow, which will move the world public, namely when the Russian leader, Chernenko, dies and a new man arrives at the head of the government, who will be called Mikhail Gorbachev.

Billy:
Not really a lot of movement for the purpose of the thinking of the Earth people because the many deaths during the catastrophes will be forgotten just as quickly as the events in Moscow. The people of the Earth are short-thinking, and they only get excited just at the moment of an event. Once an event is over, they become forgetful, and they think that it’s all over for them.

Quetzal:
546. That is, unfortunately, a fact that cannot be dismissed and which will probably always remain incomprehensible to us.

Billy:
This is also incomprehensible to me.

Quetzal:
547. The person of the Earth is very short-lived in his memories of things that do not concern him.
548. He is very selfish and cares little for his neighbor, which is why he also displaces such memories and learns nothing from them.

Billy:
That is also my opinion, but that probably isn’t to be changed so quickly.

Quetzal:
549. Yes, it will still take a lot of time to complete.

Billy:
Full insight probably won’t even be attained when the Earth folk will have brought the greatest catastrophe of all earth-time upon their planet. I just wonder how much it will actually take before the people of this world come to their senses and finally begin to live in accordance with the laws of Creation.

Quetzal:
550. That is correct, but listen further:
551. The new man of Moscow, Mikhail Gorbachev, will be the great reformer, by whose will and works a lot will change all over the world, even though he and the course of his reform will soon take in a lot of rainfall, about which I’ll explain different things to you later.
552. But to a large extent, Semjase already reported to you in the month of October, 1980 about the reforms of Mikhail Gorbachev and their global consequences, so there is really no need for further explanations.
553. Also, concerning everything related to your peace meditation, in which three and a half billion of our group are also included, she also even explained this to you at that time.*
554. But she told you nothing about the adverse events and the dangers to the good course of Gorbachev, which will happen through the evil machinations of power-hungry individuals and extremists and radicals in different Russian countries, such as Azerbaijan, Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia, etc. and which will jeopardize the entire work of Gorbachev, and she also told you nothing about the war that will go down in the annals of world history, starting from 1991, as the Gulf War.
555. Saddam Hussein – the dictator of Iraq, whom you personally know so well and of whom you always said that he would be the worst butcher of humans if he would only find the opportunity to carry out his murderous plans – will allow an invasion of Kuwait by the military on the 2nd of August 1990 and will, thus, trigger a multinational punitive action, which will be headed by the Americans.
556. From this, a battle will develop, which will be unequaled until now.
557. For about a month, multinational troops will bomb Iraq in unprecedented consequence, before the real battle begins on the ground.
558. The criminal, unscrupulous, malicious, uncompromising, murderous Saddam Hussein will avenge himself and will allow billions of liters of earth petroleum to be pumped into the waters of the Gulf, by what means he will very soon receive the infamous title “Criminal against Humanity.”

*Translator's Note: See Semjase's explanation during the 136th Contact, beginning at sentence number 458 and proceeding through the end of the conversation for more details.

Billy:
Thus, a military alliance will emerge, which will take up arms against the creep. Man, this can become cheerful, for Saddam Hussein won’t be the one to give way. I know him well enough from my stay there, when I was in Iraq. At that time, about 25 years ago, he was still young, about the same age as me. His views, which he explained to me, were so extreme, as he himself is in his whole character. A serious criminal from an early age, he ran into conflict again and again with the police, also because of extreme political machinations at around the age of 15 or 16 years. Even murder was a part of his daily existence, but he was never caught. When he came to power around the turning point of the eighties, he even murdered his opponents and enemies by his own hand. The guy told me at that time that he would also “shit” on all of Islam. He literally said that to me because he thought of the Islamic faith just as little as he thought of any other faith. Religion, so he told me at that time, was only useful for him, in any case, in order to make the idiotic people docile and subservient to a political or military leader. With a shit-faith, one can always get the stupid people to make him a master and a leader, and then, these would be subservient in order for him safely to shed blood.  If he would take to the helm and, thus, would come to power, so he told me, then he would know how to take the idiotic people and make them be enslaved to himself. He would simply play the part of a good Muslim and, if necessary, would fall on his knees towards Mecca in public and would hypocritically pray; thus, the stupid people would certainly run after him and would congratulate him, cheer, and make him the absolute ruler. Thus, he would become master and emperor over all Arab countries, and soon, it would then also be attainable to him to take over the world and become a world-dominating great emperor. He strives to achieve this goal, and every means is good enough for him, even if hundreds of millions of people would die as a result. The guy isn’t just a megalomaniac and a limitless fanatic of the most bloodthirsty violence and destruction, but he is crazy and insane and is a danger to the entire Earth. He would subjugate the entire Earth to himself with blood and would subdue it, if only he could. The only way to stop his power-hungry plans is a multinational logical act of force against him. But certainly, idiotic peace-criers all over the world will try to prevent this through demonstrations and the like, and also in various crazy Arab camps, there will be a pro-Hussein cry. But these poor lunatics won’t know what they try to arrange through this because if Saddam Hussein would win, should it actually come to this conflict mentioned by you, then this would not only mean the subjugation and possibly the death of the pro-criers or peace-criers but also the ever bloodiest enslavement and torment of all of Earth humanity. Man oh man, I know this guy Saddam Hussein and I know what he is capable of. If everything actually arrives as you say, and I do not doubt your words, then one should send all the idiotic peace-criers and pro-Hussein criers into the desert.

Quetzal:
559. Your statements correspond to all correctness.
560. But unfortunately, there will be other culprits to be named when the war breaks out in the Gulf in January of 1991 because Saddam Hussein will react to any attempts toward peace just as negatively as to an ultimatum, after which the allied bombing of Iraq will then begin a little on the 16th of January in the early morning hours.
561. Also to be named as culpable in this war will be all those who build bunkers and chemical factories, as well as many other war-technical plants, for Saddam Hussein.
562. Even weapons suppliers and weapons system-improving engineers, etc. are also included.
563. Last but not least to be mentioned is Ronald Reagan, who laid the foundation-stone for his war policy in general, so that these machinations of a serious and world-threatening nature could and can appear.
564. But to explain the individual points would take too long.

Billy:
That is understood, but tell me, won’t many businesses and companies fall into trouble and even bankruptcy as a result of this Gulf War?

Quetzal:
565. Unfortunately, that will be the case, also in Switzerland.

Billy:
He is a ruthless killer and a destroyer of global proportions. He disdains everything that keeps the world in honor. He also won’t shy away from calling fanatical terrorists all over the world, in order to carry out their murderous attacks of all kinds and in all places, causing tremendous damages and destroying human lives. Thus, this war will have worldwide consequences and will evoke worldwide damages and criminal terrorist attacks, which could lead to anxiety and fear. It’s just a good thing that this isn’t the Third World War, which could, perhaps, still be prevented, as Semjase said.

Quetzal:
566. Nevertheless, this coming war in the Gulf will be waged worldwide, even though it actually isn’t the Third World War, which is mentioned in the prophecies and which can, perhaps, be averted after all.

Billy:
Good, let’s leave this. We shouldn’t get too deeply involved in these war interests with ifs and buts.

Quetzal:
567. That is correct, but it should, perhaps, still be mentioned that this upcoming Gulf War shall be more of a punitive action than an actual war, even though the whole thing will have serious and global consequences.

Billy:
So with that, all that is necessary would probably be said. - - Now, a question concerning Venus, I mean the planet Venus: all sorts of things have changed there, but I’m not exactly interested in those changes that are already known to us, such as the gigantic sand reductions, etc. The atmosphere is what interests me; how old is it already?

Quetzal:
568. You simply know very well how to switch a topic abruptly.
569. Good, now:
570. The atmosphere of the planet Venus has an age of approximately 720 million years, but still to be mentioned is that it consists primarily of carbon dioxide and is about 90 times denser than Earth’s atmosphere.

Billy:
Good, and what about, for example, the weathering at high altitudes, where I naturally speak of the mountains?

Quetzal:
571. There are, among other things, lava cones that are more than 8,000 meters tall and that have diameters of up to 35 kilometers.
572. These giant volcanic cones, however, are untouched by rain and, thus, by water erosion, but they are blown over by powerful winds that often carry with themselves fine sand and very often smooth, polished rocks.
573. But the enormous and gigantic winds and volcanic cones aren’t just for the planet Venus because on many other planets, which are foreign to SOL system and which are far larger than Venus, even more enormous volcanoes, mountains, and winds prevail.

Billy:
Is there anything else special in relation to the planets and such? Are there, perhaps, cosmic events that are worth knowing?

Quetzal:
574. Certainly, but the event will first report itself in the year 1991.
575. From the depths of interstellar space, a dense and immense cloud of fine matter will approach, which will have penetrated so far into the SOL system by about the middle of the month of February that it will then be located halfway between the planets Saturn and Uranus.
576. A fact that actually wouldn’t be noticed by the earthly astronomers if they wouldn’t pursue the path of Halley’s Comet, which will be located in the northern part of the constellation Hydra at that time.
577. These observations will most likely lead to the fact that a tremendous change in the fluorescent ratio of the comet will appear because it will penetrate into this cloud of interstellar dust and then cross it, which will naturally have as a consequence that powerful frictional forces will develop, which will allow the comet to light up 346 times more strongly than what is the case in its normal state.

Billy:
Then this will certainly also remain no secret to the Earth citizens, for certainly the newspapers will report about this, but probably again with incredible explanations that aren’t true.

Quetzal:
578. That might correspond to the truth.

Billy:
Thus, the usual. – But now, I have yet another question regarding what you said about Saddam Hussein and Kuwait, etc. You haven’t revealed how the Gulf crisis or even the punitive action will go out against Iraq, and at the same time, what special things are yet to be expected?

Quetzal:
579. As I told you, there will be an enormous bombardment of multinational troops on Iraq and Kuwait, which will last for about a month and which has no parallels on Earth to date and won’t have any up to that time.
580. More specifically, this bombardment will last for a month and one week and will so decimate and demoralize the Iraqi army units that after the start of the ground offensive, there will arise tens of thousands of starving, wounded, sick, demoralized, and partly emotional people in the end.
581. After the ground attack, a hundred-hour battle will take place, during which the entire Iraqi army and also Saddam Hussein’s elite units, the Republican Guards, will be routed, after which the U.S. President Bush will then order a ceasefire, namely for the time around 8 or 9 o'clock, Iraqi time, on February 28, 1991.

Billy:
Then at this time, Kuwait might also become free again.

Quetzal:
582. That will already be the case on the 27th of February.
583. Nevertheless, Kuwait will be destroyed to a very great extent, and before the ceasefire, the fleeing Iraqis will still kidnap many Kuwaitis as hostages, taking them before, but even at the beginning of, the cruel massacre of the population under occupation, to which women, children, adolescents, and men of every age will fall victim.
584. Women and children will be raped and abused, in order to violate them after that, so that intimate body parts can be cut from their bodies, which will then be swung by the assassins’ hands in triumph and be hung up as trophies everywhere.
585. Nevertheless, for a long time, this still won’t be enough with the atrocities of the inhuman Iraqi soldiers, for before they flee or surrender to the Allies, they will still set on fire Kuwait’s sources of oil and will make the ecological disaster, which was caused by the earth petroleum that was led into the Gulf, even larger.
586. From the oil fires, thick black soot clouds of smoke will arise, which will not only cause wide-area black rain precipitation in several countries, but they will also be very toxic and will destroy much biological life.
587. For a long time, the Sun will also be darkened by the black smoke, and multifarious life will be destroyed.

Billy:
If immature and stupid ones get power and weapons, then they will cause incredible destruction with them and release worldwide catastrophes. In addition to immaturity and stupidity, still religious fanaticism and subservience come together for the degenerated, overbearing jerks, who are so clever, however, that they are able to beat the people into bondage. But how will things continue, then, after the ceasefire?

Quetzal:
588. Furthermore will be an attempt of genocide against the Kurds, which Saddam Hussein will operate, after a murderous civil war will be fenced down by his troops.
589. But in everything, the Americans will not bear the least guilt because the American President Bush will request the Iraqi army to direct opposition against the dictator Hussein and to his overthrow, by what means he will indirectly animate the Kurds to this as well.
590. However, if the Iraqi people actually rise up against their dictator, then Bush will simply withdraw himself and then leave the Iraqi people to their misery and to the clutches of their murderous tormentor and murderer, as is customary with many Americans in their attitude and conduct.
591. Nevertheless, America is not only controlled by such inhuman and wrong elements but truly by the people who live there, and just these will be the ones who will compel the Bush administration to take action, while still giving support to the Kurds, who make use of the army stationed in Iraq to their hope and benefit, but this cannot prevent the fact that during the worst time, more than 1,000 Kurdish refugees will die daily in the inhospitable and wintry mountains of Kurdistan, which you know from your own experience, and you know how life-hostile they are.
592. Deprivation, fatigue, exhaustion, and diseases will be the causes of death of the refugees, just as also the military and inhuman acts of violence of the Iraqi army, who will also register themselves there into the third millennium, which will lead to the second Iraqi war via the Americans, under the patronage of Bush's son, George Walker, who will then be U.S. President, who will lie to the people about alleged weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and will fail miserably in Iraq with the army.
593. In addition, terrorism will act further, by what means a complete wildfire will be released from Arabia, at least in the Middle East.

Billy:
And Saddam Hussein, what happens to him?

Quetzal:
594. His end will come much later, but about this, I will report to you some other time if it will still be permitted to me, for I shouldn’t deal with these things any further.

Billy:
Well, will other things and events still arise that are connected to the murder of Saddam Hussein?

Quetzal:
595. Certainly:
596. The chief event of the Iraqi troops in Kuwait will be a time from which a wide-raging cholera epidemic must be counted on, which will demand thousands of lives, particularly in Latin America but also in several other countries around the world.

Billy:
So once again, a time of a large cholera epidemic. But what happens if Saddam Hussein won’t be knocked off his throne?

Quetzal:
597. Then over the course of the next decades, it would have to be counted on that the Middle East and even the entire world could be threatened by a new war.
598. He is power-hungry, autocratic, and dangerous, like a pit full of irritated, venomous snakes.
599. However, the overthrow of the dictator should not occur by foreign powers but only by his own people; otherwise, more harm than good will result and a wildfire could arise, as I already explained.

Billy:
That is a good concept, venomous snakes, which actually could have even come to my mind.

Quetzal:
600. It honors me to be a length ahead of you for once.

Billy:
That is: to be a nose-length ahead.

Quetzal:
601. That was the meaning of my words.

Billy:
Well, then so be it.

Quetzal:
602. Do you still have any questions that I should answer for you?

Billy:
At the moment, not really, unless you might still have any other predictions?

Quetzal:
603. I’ve told you everything that I had to explain to you.
604. Officially, I am not allowed to say more.
605. So unfortunately, I must tell you this now:
606. That’s it for now, once again.
607. I will probably no longer be able to give you more predictions because this task is to be taken over by another power, but this hasn’t been determined yet.

Billy:
Then we will see when the time comes.

Quetzal:
608. Then now, I want to say goodbye.
609. Until we meet again.

Billy:
Bye – until midyear.

Quetzal:
610. Until then – 'til we meet again.




183rd Contact
Friday, March 25, 1983, 3:00 PM

Billy:
You have allowed yourself to wait for a long time.

Taljda:
1. I was fully occupied with closely monitoring the individual members of the group and incorporating them into my calculations.
2. In this process, unfortunately, I not only encountered facts that are of a pleasant nature but also ones that are negative in larger parts.
3. It would be pointless to explain a lot about this at the moment, and on the other hand, the individual members themselves are aware of what negative forces they are still given to.
4. From my side, it is only to be advised to them that they now finally strive to remove these deficiencies in an honest form.
5. But if these efforts shouldn't be taken and shouldn't be implemented in a foreseeable and useful time, then the consequences for this would have to be borne.
6. My findings revealed that several members of the group are always rather uninterested in a joint effort and in the necessary will for employment.
7. Personal, futile reasons are given as excuses, in order not to have to be involved in the joint effort and in the joint construction.
8. Also, sorrows of all kinds are set forth and are presented in each case as worse than they truly are, and very often, variations in facial expressions of pain are artificially created.
9. Now, this can no longer continue, along with many other incidents, because if the goals are to be reached, especially by 1985, then it must come to the point where every single member of the group finally lays aside his selfish ambitions and softness and makes the appropriate changes within himself and also that he makes full use of himself.
10. If this shouldn’t be the case from now on, then the objectives must be canceled and be forgotten, for then, reaching the goals won’t be possible.

Billy:
I already know this; Semjase and Quetzal also spoke of this.

Taljda:
11. With the difference that the two of them were too lenient and aligned their feelings too much toward you.
12. That won’t be the case with me because I know how to keep myself from profound feelings that would allow too much forbearance to arise.
13. From my side, it will be such that I will actually meet all announced sanctions if further offenses against the rules and order, etc. should continue to occur.

Billy:
Quetzal already said that, and I have no reason to doubt it.

Taljda:
14. That is very good if the members of the group also finally understand this and grasp it.
15. From my side, I now issue the provision that in the center and in the community, everything is to be handled and carried out in such a way as I consider it to be right.
16. At the same time, I do not deviate from the provisions given by Quetzal, Semjase, and Ptaah, neither from those of the High Council.
17. I also bring no goal reforms, for the given objectives cannot be changed.
18. What will be new with my regulations, however, is that the works to be settled in the future will be arranged by me, whereby I first have to discuss these interests with you because in this connection, you have the better overview and the better knowledge.
19. First of all, my orders are those which I determine in repetition of Quetzal’s arrangement, that in no way may any fences, huts, and buildings etc. be created, thus also no other environment-changing things.
20. Strict attention must be paid to the order all around the center and on all parts of the land, and in relation to the given ordinal rules and house rules as well as the statutes, it is to be noted that these must be complied with in the strictest form.

Billy:
And how does it stand, then, with the new greenhouses, the garden wall, the light and television monitoring systems, and with the new pigsty, the chicken house, as well as with the rabbit house?

Taljda:
21. These are all concerns that you have already discussed with Quetzal and which he found to be right, so you can work in these directions.
22. There only might be difficulties with the planned rabbit house, namely with the authorities, because there are currently no powers that are willing to allow such a construction.
23. As I was able to clarify, you will presumably have to wait for several years before you can receive the necessary permission.
24. Also, you are not financially capable of affording such a construction because in accordance with the existing provisional plans, the current cost amounts to about 22,000 francs.
25. We calculated this according to the price lists of the materials, which you made available to us.
26. But as already explained, the bigger problem lies with the authorities, who do not consider such a construction to be necessary, that is, if the same powers that currently give their word have to decide on this.

Billy:
It isn’t just the building authority of Turbenthal that is responsible for this but also the senior civil servant of the Canton of Zurich, the Cantonal Construction Committee, and the Cantonal Water Pollution Control Center, I know.

Taljda:
27. That corresponds to the facts; that is correct.
28. It is now to be said further that the concerns that were raised by Quetzal on February 3rd, regarding the new times and division of labor, etc., are effective as of today and must be followed accordingly by every single member of the group.
29. For this and for the incorporation of all, I grant a period of one month, which ends on the last day of the month of April, but this doesn’t mean that gross breaches of duty and violations during this time won’t be punished with the removal of the various aids that were already specified by Quetzal and that have been granted to you by us.
30. Now, in accordance with our instructions, the following is to be noted from now on:
31. (Sentences 31 to 40: Internal Division of Labor)
41. In addition to the aforementioned works, the female members are also to be concerned with environmental work and planting work, as directed by Eva.
42. Surplus animals, such as ducks, geese, roosters, chickens, etc. are to be reduced to a reasonable amount, whereby the animals are intended for the slaughter, in order to serve as nourishment for the group members.
43. With regard to the feeding area for animals, Silvano is to make sure from now on that this is strictly locked and that no one has access to it except him and Elsa, who has a living space there.
44. The same applies to the poultry house and to the later such areas.
45. Silvano always has to hand over the necessary animal feed personally and promptly to those who fill in as a replacement for him.
46. Furthermore, it is to be made sure that over the next two years, the poultry shelter near the waters becomes rebuilt and properly created in an orderly manner, yet in such a way as it presently exists, so that the authorities find no opportunity for attack.
47. Concerning Silvano himself, it is important to note what was already said by Quetzal, whereby for the change and fulfillment, I set a time period up to the last day of the month of April.
48. Besides, with everything, I can in no way accept that any offenses take place against my arrangements.
49. Arranged work and working hours are to be kept, and excuses can never find attention or any validity.
50. Furthermore, I have yet to note that the garden of Cornelia requires a complete change because what exists is unworthy of a garden specialist and is, moreover, landscape-hostile.
51. A clean enclosure is most urgently needed, and in relation to this, I would like to ask you to give directions with regard to the design.
52. In reference to the children, it must be ensured from now on that they devote themselves to less playful activities but rather to skilled-labor tasks, which is why they should be increased in a reasonable and rational form and be steadily requisitioned for educational work.
53. That would be the most essential for the time being, which I had to include.

Billy:
It is also a rather nice amount.

Taljda:
54. That is true, but everything is very necessary.
55. But now, I would still like to state the necessities regarding the upcoming tests, wherewith I become attentive to the questions to be asked by the individual group members.
56. Every member of the group is to prepare three completely personal questions, which they then have to keep on your device.
57. But for now, the questions are to be handed to you in written form in a sealed envelope, which you then have to hand over to me, unopened.
58. After the inspection of the questions, I will then record my answers on tape, so that these may be heard by the individual questioners, without other people, not even you, hearing these answers.
59. Over the course of next week, I want to begin with this work, so I must be in possession of the questions by next Sunday evening.
60. Should the way of written questions prove to be better for me than the way of the communication device, then it will remain so in the future, and I’ll then only give my answers on tape.
61. Nevertheless, this will first prove itself next week, when we conduct the experiments.

Billy:
This way is also a possibility, but we’ll see.

Taljda:
62. Good, then we have discussed everything for today.
63. There’s just one thing I have to say:
64. You still haven’t handed out the contact reports from the 3rd of February to the members of the group.
65. This is now necessary, and it has to happen before the 5th of April dawns.

Billy:
Okay, I will let the reports be read aloud this evening and also from now on, if you still transmit these to me in time.

Taljda:
66. I will do that, and now, until we meet again.

Billy:
See you again. - Bye.

Taljda:
67. One moment; before I go, I have another word to say that is important.
68. Yesterday, in the early night, I was briefly walking on the upper road, where in front of the Semjase tree, I almost fell over a fully loaded wheelbarrow.
69. More order should also be seen with regard to such concerns.
70. Order on the sidewalks is just as important as it is on the lands and in the gardens, where miscellaneous things still leave much to be desired.
71. If I think, for example, of how heavily the garden was infested with weeds and how neglected, unnatural, and catastrophic Cornelia’s garden was - an evil blemish, unable to be integrated into the surroundings - then it makes me sick.
72. Such atrocities, however, should no longer arise in the center of your community for a long time, which is why you must be strictly careful now to ensure that everything finally becomes harmonious.
73. Should Cornelia not agree to arrange her entitled section of the garden according to our instructions, then this section of land should also be worked on as a general group garden.

Billy:
One could still make terraces with the trunks of trees, which would already lead to a better design.

Taljda:
74. I agree with that if you mean something of the same kind as, or something similar to, what the strawberry beds exhibit.

Billy:
That’s exactly what I meant.

Taljda:
75. Then it should be so.
76. But furthermore, I would no longer like to have to see that the garden is full of weeds.
77. Everything has to be removed from this, and it then must be kept clean and tidy.
78. A diligent weed-removal in a garden is of urgent necessity.
79. As I also determined, the fowl enclosure must, under all circumstances, be repaired in several places, but it also must be extended.
80. In addition, in a smaller enclosure, ducks are always locked up in the smallest space, which must be corrected immediately, by tomorrow at the latest.
81. Ducks and chickens are to be released to a larger space six weeks after hatching, so that they can mingle with other animals.
82. Cruelty to animals means additional periods beyond such a six-week time, if animals are not left with their equals.
83. Therefore, I insist that the animals be released no later than tomorrow at 12:00 PM.
84. Particularly with regard to the animal husbandry, I still have to clarify some very important points at the first opportunity because certain members of the group treat the animals in an unnatural manner and in a way that also borders on animal cruelty, whereby in this connection, I speak of an unreasonable overrating and coddling of the animals by human beings, specifically referring to Cornelia.
85. She should think about this and then act in a normal fashion.
86. Should this not be done, then we will have to think to ourselves about removing the wrongly treated animals from her sphere of influence or removing them altogether.
87. Members of the group, with all their knowledge, should be more reasonable and more rational and should also act accordingly.
88. Now, I am well aware that a veto will be raised against my words, and I also know from which side, even if it should, perhaps, only be silent.
89. These four group members, however, should once think thoroughly about whether any creative laws or commandments allow them to treat animals in this way and to take away the naturalness of their existence.
90. This form of animal cruelty that is applied to the animals hinders their own way of life and makes them subject to the people who are wrongly treating them.
91. So much about that for today.
92. But now, I really have to go.
93. I just want to say that everything I explained today now possesses validity for every single member of the group, as soon as my words become known.
94. Until we meet again.

Billy:
Bye-bye.




184th Contact
Saturday, April 9, 1983, 11:16 AM

*Translator's Note: The following translated portion of this contact was taken from pages 139-142 of "And Still They Fly!"

Billy:
You reacted very quickly to my call, although it really wasn’t so very urgent that it couldn’t have waited until tomorrow.

Taljda:
1. It was not just your call that prompted me to visit you but rather an important matter which has made it necessary to supply you with a bit of information. 
2. It could very well be that contacts are ahead of you in the next few months with other human beings from stars beyond your solar system.

Billy:
I see! Then you have come in a matter on behalf of both our interests. As for me, I had a question primarily concerning something quite peculiar that we were able to observe yesterday on April 8.        High in the eastern sky, I noticed a glaring light at 8:14 p.m. about three to four times* as large as Venus. At first, I thought it was the evening star Venus, before it dawned on me that we can only see Venus in the Southern and Western hemispheres. After that, I took a somewhat closer look at the glaring light and noticed that there were strange color shifts within in it that passed through all colors of the rainbow spectrum and also resulted in changes of form. Consequently, I rushed into my office and snatched my binoculars, through which I was able to discern and observe a peculiar light structure about 1 meter (3 ft.) in size. It looked like a mirage to me, the form of which continuously changed and also seemed somehow transparent, just like a Fata Morgana. I estimated the altitude of the object to be about 35,000 meters (20 miles), whereas its distance from our observation point must have been about 18 – 20 kilometers (11 – 12 miles). During my observation, I also detected various small objects emerging and flying away from the right side of the large object. Furthermore, I also saw various dark points and spots on the large object, something like protuberances or similar. I had seen similar things before on Ptaah’s giant spacer and that is why, in my opinion, it must have been a spacecraft that could only be seen as a Fata Morgana or simply as a reflected image. I, therefore, analyzed the glistening points flying away on the right side of the object as beamships, but assumed that the dark points and spots must have been hangars and the like, and the protuberances similar to the top structures of Ptaah’s ship. If I calculate the size of the objects light with its distance, I come up with a ship of such expanse that it must have a diameter of about 320 – 340 meters (1,056 – 1,122 ft.).

*Translator's Note: The figure given in the German Contact Reports is actually four to five times as large as Venus.

Taljda:
3. Before I came here, Quetzal warned me about you, as we definitely observed that the event, in the manner you mentioned, did not go undetected by you and your friends.

Billy:
Oh! And why did Quetzal warn you about me?

Taljda:
4. He heard your conversation with Thomas and told me that the statements and dimensional estimates you made to Thomas were very close to reality. 
5. The object sighted by you and your friends was, indeed, a spacecraft that you were only able to see as a reflected image. The ship was hovering directly over your Center to study the location, as well as to study those human beings who are of the greatest importance on earth to those of us bound to the mission. 
6. For security reasons, as we have already made known to you, the flying object was screened against visibility with a form of technology completely different from ours, which produces reflected images that become visible in the atmosphere many kilometers away. 
7. As you already know, other human space travelers might not use exactly the same technology as we do. 
8. The Druans have shielding technologies that are completely different from those we possess. 
9. But now a word about your estimate:
10. The reflected image of the spacecraft sighted by you and your friends was 26,000 meters (16 miles) away from where you were standing, while the altitude of the reflected image was 36,000 meters (23 miles), and the ship’s diameter was 350 meters (1,155 ft). 
11. Your calculations were, thus, more than astonishingly good, which astounds me despite Quetzal’s early warning. 
12. Your other calculations of your observation also demand my admiration.

Billy:
You said something about Druans.

Taljda:
13. The flying object was a spacecraft from the planet Druan, the human life forms of which are called Druans.
14. They are a highly developed and extremely peaceful human race and are capable of bringing innovations to our own technology. 
15. The planet Druan is located in the NOL system, which belongs to a galaxy, the expanse of which is about 1.7 times larger than ours and is about 310 billion* light years from this SOL system.

*Translator's Note: The figure in the German Contact Reports is actually million.



Extraordinary Event on April 8, 1983 at 8:15 p.m. -

Report by Thomas Keller

I was just going to fetch additional tools for our mason—work when Silvano suddenly said to Billy that a large light was in the sky. At once, I went back to see whether it was the same light which had caught my attention a few minutes earlier, but at the time, it had not really "registered" within me. Billy ran quickly into the house to fetch his binoculars. We found a suitable place to view the thing. After a brief inspection, Billy suddenly said, "Phenomenal! Take a look through here." And I peered through.       
    What I saw caused me to hold my breath.       
    A form without solid contours could clearly and distinctly be seen the sky. It continually changed its shape, and its colors also slowly changed, blending into a great variety of shades. Upon Billy’s request, I ran into the house to call the others so they could see it also. Quickly running back to Billy, I was allowed to look through the binoculars again. This time, the object was a bright, gleaming rose color (such as the “living clouds" in one of the “Spaceship Enterprise” episodes). I could note one of the forms and, with certainty, was able to make a rough sketch, although it was actually quite difficult because of the continuing changes in shape.        
    The "thing" seen with the naked eye was about five times as large as Venus. Clearly recognizable to us, as well as to Billy and several others who had joined us in the meantime, was its vertical, cone—shaped form that remained visible the entire time. According to Billy’s estimation, the object was around 18,000 meters (11 miles) above the ground at a distance from us of about 35,000 meters (22 miles).       
    As we later lingered in the kitchen discussing it, Louis confirmed that he had observed the luminous object for a little more than 45 minutes. Engelbert only glanced at the "little object" for a short while, but then turned away. For him, it was nothing special. He had seen much more spectacular displays before. On the following day, Billy mentioned during work that Taljda had confirmed our sighting. She explained that it had been a ship with a diameter of 350 meters (1,155 ft.), the origin of which was far away from the earth, but which was something Billy could better explain.           
    As for me, I shall hold this extraordinary experience in fond memory and think of our friends in Druan with genuine affection.






Billy:
In 1975, I was even a bit further away than... only a stone’s throw. On my great space journey, you know. That’s why a few million light years do not astound me or impress me any longer. Everything, in the end, becomes a habit.

Taljda:
16. Certainly, but that is not why I am giving you this information.

Billy:
You have no sense of humor at all.

Taljda:
17. Oh! That is also what Quetzal warned me of. 
18. Your often peculiar sense of humor.

Billy:
Right. It’s a real nuisance, but you also said that I may be receiving visitors, probably from those dear Druans?

Taljda:
19. That is what I said. 
20. The Druans will be here on earth for at least five to six months for expeditionary purposes. However, according to our experience, their visit could, instead, be extended to several years. 
21. During this time, their spacecraft and their escorting flying objects will often be seen by earth people, but only in Europe during the first few weeks. 
22. After that, the Druan ship will also be sighted over other continents of earth. 
23. If earth people keep their eyes open, they will be able to observe the spacecraft quite frequently.

Billy:
That’ll stir up things for me, especially with the clever and scientifically super-clever explanations such as balloons and the like. What does the object actually look like if one disregards the distorted reflected image?

Taljda:
24. Like a disk-shaped object, but a completely different form is reflected outwards by a specific protective screen that is comparable to the cone and facets of a mountain crystal.

Billy:
And which also produces the corresponding picture in all colors of the spectrum?

Taljda:
25. Apparently, you are not unfamiliar with such things.

Billy:
A Simple prism principle, about which one learns here in kindergarten, for example, by letting glass pearls with polished surfaces sparkle in the sunlight.

Taljda:
26. You never seem to be at loss for an answer.

Billy:
Exactly, that’s why I'm equipped with organs of speech. You still haven’t told me anything about the possible contacts.

Taljda:
27. That, naturally, escaped me. 
28. It is possible that a responsible person from the crew of the Druan ship, perhaps even several of them, will establish contact with you. 
29. In any case, they became interested in such a contact after we communicated with them and talked extensively about our joint mission on earth.

Billy:
And what could they possibly want from me? As an earthling, there’s really nothing I can offer them.

Taljda:
30. You are too modest.

Translator's Note: This concludes the portion of the contact taken from "And Still They Fly!"

31. Think once of the leading teachers on Erra.
32. The Druans are also people like us.

(Florena’s Note – 1/08/2004: The Plejarens and the Druans established intensive contact with each other. In the course of two years, negotiations took place over an admission of the Druans into the Plejaren Federation, which found its fulfillment with the integration of the Druans in February, 1985. At the same time, they agreed on the integration of the Druans into the spirit teachings, as this is taught by the Plejarens, because the spirit teachings of the Druans are in conformity with the teachings of the Plejarens, as they are also taught by Billy on Earth. On the 11th of May, 1985, Quetzal, accompanied by a Druan named Zeltan [= the thoughtful], appeared to Billy and explained to him that the spirit teachings, which Billy prepares for the Plejaren spirit leadership, would also be passed on to the Druans in the future for learning purposes. The Contact with Zeltan [= the thoughtful] remained unique, however.  Since that time, the Druans have been working with Billy’s teachings.)

Billy:
Too much of the honor.

Taljda:
33. That isn’t so.

Billy:
I think so, nevertheless. But tell me, you always speak as though you yourself would see it as the Pleiadians do. How does this happen, since you come, nevertheless, from the Vega and Lyra systems?

Taljda:
34. Really nothing escapes you.
35. Your statement corresponds to the truth, to which it actually belongs.
36. I want to formulate the answer to your question relating to this in such a way:
37. The Pleiadians, as you call them, thus our mutual friends, originally came from our systems, assuming that we take as a reference point that period when their ancestors left our systems.
38. Unlike what the Earth people do, direct contact was maintained between the emigrants and those left behind on the home worlds to this day, upright and intact, even though a lot has changed in the way of life and in the overall development of the two poles: different forms of technology developed and, more or less, differences in the overall evolution also arose.
39. But the preserved connection was and is and will remain such that we see ourselves as a single people, even though we have our home worlds many light-years apart.

Billy:
I understand. Thus, the principle would be this: if a man, for example, has two women and, thus, two families, which lived in two different places, then it would be the same case. Even though the man’s two wives and families live in two different places, they are still his own families.

Taljda:
40. Your description of the facts actually corresponds to our national relation.

Billy:
Nice, then once a question concerning your person. I estimate that you are about the same age as Semjase. Is that right?

Taljda:
41. In terms of age, I am somewhat younger because since my birth, 314 years have passed.

Billy:
And is your average age also around a thousand years?

Taljda:
42. I don’t understand your question?

Billy:
I know; it was illogical. My question should be whether your average age of your life expectancy is also around a thousand years, as this is the case with the Pleiadians.

Taljda:
43. In this regard, the average age with us is set a little lower, namely at 987 years.

Billy:
That is around a thousand, but never mind that.  I have yet another question, if you permit.

Taljda:
44. Of course.

Billy:
Good – are you married? Do you have children?

Taljda:
45. No, neither of them.

Billy:
Then you are still to be had. Nice – you would also please me.

Taljda:
46. Ahh...?

Billy:
It isn’t necessary that you understand this. But if it still interests you, then simply ask Quetzal, and then tell him that it was no joke of mine, at least not regarding the pleasure.

Taljda:
47. The sense of your words is incomprehensible to me.

Billy:
I counted on it. Just ask Quetzal.

Taljda:
48. I’ll probably have to do that.

Billy:
Certainly; otherwise, something will escape you. But now, something else, namely because of our paraphernalia.  I know very well that you are extremely correct and also act accordingly in all matters. Nevertheless, couldn’t one let a little more mildness prevail?

Taljda:
49. That would be irresponsible.

Billy:
I nearly expected this response. Yes, I know only too well what mildness can immediately lead to.  But still, I had to ask.

Taljda:
50. Your question is quite clear to me.
51. But with everything, you should note that forbearance can and may only be exercised when mistakes appear but never with misdemeanors and violations.
52. Besides, as I have discovered with many and the most diverse Earth people, they are of the opinion that as a result of their Earth humanity, they are entitled to be allowed to commit misdemeanors and offenses because their evolution, their knowledge, and their intelligence don’t correspond to ours and only correspond to those of the Earth person.
53. But by no means may such an incorrect attitude be acceptable, neither for the Earth people, nor for us, nor for other human life forms of any lower evolutionary stage.
54. In another form, the mistaken notion also inexplicably prevails with many that as a result of their age, because they are already 25 or 32 years old or even older, they would be free from wrong decisions and false actions and that their actions would correspond to that of an adult person, etc., but this truly only corresponds to misconceptions.
55. Although the average age of the Earth person is about 52 years, and the European person can presently reckon the highest level of a 78-year average, unfortunately, this won’t mean for a long time that a person at this age would be mature and knowledgeable.
56. Through all sorts of injustice, mismanagement, and improper lifestyles, the average age of the Earth person fell to minimal values, whereby he lost around nine hundred years of life, to which he was subjected at very early times, after he was overcome by great periods of rapid evolutionary processes.
57. Through this, the Earth person ages completely physically in much less than a century, by what means he moves from life to death while still in the child’s developmental stage.
58. Human life – in our and, thus, also in the earthly sense, for the Earth people found a physical union with our ancestors – has an average age between 964 and 1,089 years, whereby other alien races and our human life forms exhibit much lower or much higher life expectancies.
59. But in our and in the Earth people’s case, an average age of around a thousand years must be noted because all our races stand in physical and old-customary solidarity, equipped with the corresponding genetic make-up of the corresponding high life expectancy.
60. If the Earth person, through old-conventional maltreatment and wrong lifestyles as well as criminal genetic manipulations, etc., already dies at the age of 70 or 80 years and has gone to ruin to the aging process during this time, then this entirely corresponds to a misdirected life process, which was maliciously established by foreign compulsion and even by the people of this world themselves over long periods of time, by what means the Earth person exchanges life for death while still in his childhood.
61. At about 75 years of age, the Earth person would have to be only so far along naturally that he would actually reach adulthood at this time at the earliest and would also first become marriageable at this time, as you say.
62. Compared to us, the Earth person, at the age of 70 to 80 years, dies during his childhood, whereby he prematurely grows old during this period and is incorporated into a cell-decay.
63. But this age range never suffices, at least not for our races, whose life expectancy should be valued at about a thousand years, in which the Earth people are also included, in order actually to become an adult.
64. The time does not suffice; it is simply much too short.
65. An Earth person, at the age of 50 years, is truly at the age of puberty and, thus, is still an adolescent, and yet, through his wrong thinking, he wants to be more developed and more capable of making decisions than we, who are already at least 3 to 4 times older and, thus, have much more experience, which can normally never be given to an Earth person in a single existence because the normal lifetime of the Earth person is limited to childhood through many ills, etc.
66. In addition, if we still look at the relations between us and the Earth people, then it follows that also in reference to learning and the collecting of experience, the Earth person severely disadvantages himself because out of what is possible for him to learn during about 70 years of life, he only learns an average of 11.6%, which means that he simply ignores 88.4%, overlooks this, or consciously resists it.
67. But this has the effect that an Earth person at the age of 70 years only has a volume of evolutionary progress and an actual knowledge of a child who is a little more than 7 years old.

Billy:
One has already explained these things to me several times, but even though everything is regrettable, it still can’t be changed overnight.

Taljda:
68. That corresponds to the truth.
69. But within seconds, this knowledge could be taken up, be processed, and be accepted in every single Earth person, after which, accordingly, a change would have to take place towards progress, which would also entail that every Earth person recognizes his own little self as being so small, as this is actually the case.
70. They would then also hear from us that we are truly older, more knowledged, and also wiser siblings.
71. And they would pay attention to our advice, without stupidly, primitively, unjustly, and unreasonably criticizing us, for then the Earth person would recognize his true tininess and inadequacy against us, from which the realization could then mature, that they, the Earth people of every age, are actually nothing more than just immature and ignorant children or toddlers, even though during childhood, their bodies already pass through a rapid aging process, accompanied by long-term damages and long-term failures.

Billy:
It would really be something if the people of the Earth would think a little more.

Taljda:
72. It would be very good for them.
73. But now, my time has become scarce.
74. Until we meet again.

Billy:
Bye, Zitronata.

Taljda:
75. ???

Billy:
Until next time – I’ll explain it to you then. Bye.




185th Contact
Saturday, May 7, 1983, 7:00 PM

Billy:
It is but a joy that you also come here again, my friend.

Quetzal
1. Aren't you content with Taljda as a representative?

Billy:
Sure; I have nothing wrong with her.

Quetzal:
2. It would have surprised me also.
3. Why I have come has its basis in the fact that you now have the two cows in the stable.
4. Concerning this, some peculiarities have become noticeable to me since yesterday, about which I would like to speak with you and which are in need of an urgent change.
5. These are, however, concerns that we do not necessarily have to keep as a report, so we can also talk about this unofficially.

Billy:
I totally agree with that, also since Taljda has recently omitted transmitting the reports to me for each contact. So I was simply able to take notes, after which I could then report the necessities to the group members. On the other hand, this saves me a great deal of work and nervous tension because if I don’t have to write unpleasant things, then I have to be annoyed less.

Taljda:
1. I am also of this view, which is why I found a reason to reveal only really interesting facts to our friend for the time being.

Quetzal:
6. I have no objections to raise against that because his health has no longer been the best for a long time.
7. The constant annoyances and excitements have affected him very badly, which you, my friend, cannot deny if I ask you.
8. Even today, you look rather bad, and as I’ve already determined, a renewed and rather serious evil has befallen you, which you can no longer take lightly.
9. But about that, we also want to speak better afterwards, in an unofficial form.
10. You probably don’t want to let us help you?

Billy:
Not interested. You know my attitude towards the fact that I do not have any more rights than other people of this planet, even if it means for me that I might no longer be able to fulfill my mission on Earth in this life and must be content with the small percentage of performed work, which I was able to do until now and which I can yet finish in the future.

Quetzal:
11. You are very depressed, my friend.

Billy:
How should this be different when one knows what is in store for him, before he can even fulfill a third of his workload?

Taljda:
2. But this is not your fault.
3. You have been kept from this through the evil machinations of various Earth people and have been forced to devote yourself to other tasks that should have been done by others.
4. In addition, your health left more and more to be desired, which is solely due to the fact that through all the annoyances and grievances, etc., your power to withstand your opponents dissipated more and more.

Quetzal:
12. And it is incomprehensible to us that you are still alive because humanly speaking, everything cannot be borne and cannot be withstood.

Billy:
That may be, perhaps, which I must now admit when I think about it.

Quetzal:
13. So your realization has come, even though it is rather late.
14. You always used to deny this.

Billy:
I know, but the last two months have shown me that you were right with your illustrations. It’s just that this realization is of no use to me now. In any case, I can no longer fulfill my task.  If I would have only dedicated myself to my sole task and if I would have worn myself out less with annoyances, then it would have been different.

Taljda:
5. Especially when you are linked with the least of self-reproach.

Quetzal:
15. That is correct, my friend, because your achievements and your inexhaustible perseverance correspond to multiples of what a person of your constitution can perform.
16. A fact that we cannot understand yet.
17. The fault truly does not lie with you.

Billy:
Do you know what I would like?

Quetzal:
18. That everything would be like it was at the beginning of our contacts.

Billy:
Right, you got it.

Quetzal:
19. You’ve talked about this often enough.

Billy:
I know. It is simply not explainable to me as to why everything had to develop in such a way, even though I know where the mistakes lie and where they’ve been committed. The people of this world are really very strange and amusing. All progress, love, knowledge, wisdom, logic, and everything worth knowing is served to them on a silver platter, yet the people do not reach for it but rather simply push it away and destroy it. And all this, even though they actually want to have it unconditionally. But instead, they push away what they want to have and what they want to call their own, and so, they are dissatisfied in evil ways and can never do what they actually want to do. Thus, their own desires neither find fulfillment nor satisfaction because these desires always remain unfulfilled, as well as the actions, deeds, and businesses that would like to be done by these people – and which only remain as wants. So it is with these people of the world also with regard to love, knowledge, wisdom, logic, peace, and tranquility, and also regarding the certainty that death holds no fear in itself, as I have described in Life and Death. However, I have brought near to these people all knowledge of these things and made this clear through my writings and words, but all was in vain, even though I just know that these damn Earth folk still want to have everything and want to call it all their own. Yet they push everything far away from themselves because they want to be in their megalomania even very much more than they truly are. Instead of only seeing themselves as great as they truly are, they see themselves as much greater and also accordingly act megalomaniac in that they want to make better decisions than what are given by the laws and commandments of Creation. And yet, because the people somehow understand that that their wrong decisions, deeds, thoughts, feelings, and actions are wrong and destructive, they search for the truth of love, knowledge, logic and wisdom, peace and rest, etc., and yet they push it all away when it is given to them. All of this, in turn, incites uncontrollable rage, anger, and even hatred in people, which then leads to murder and manslaughter. Then, through this, the injustice of their own wrong actions and their own wrong thinking, which originates and blazes within them, so degenerates that they transfer all of their own injustice, anger, hatred, and rage, etc. onto others who then become aggressively attacked and harassed. Thus, they express their own inadequacy and lack of independence as well as their own fallibility and injustice. Through these activities, the person of the Earth is violent, destructive, and eager to kill in a way that must be described as an addiction.  And because this addiction is rooted deep within the person and because he lives in accordance with this, he is also happy and delighted in his aggressive actions, behavior, and thoughts toward his fellow man and all remaining fellow creatures. Day after day, the person feeds on the misery, death, and destruction of other people – of his fellow man, his neighbor – and he likewise feeds on the joy of his own aggression that he delivers to his neighbor. And why all this? As I have already said, it automatically arises from the fact that still other reasons are rooted within him, such as the fact that this rotten behavior must not be painted before him and must not be swept in front of his own door, for throughout this entire doing, he studiously overlooks his own dirt. The person very well has his free will, in order to be able to act rightly or wrongly, positively or negatively, but this will isn’t used positively by the person of the Earth. As a rule, the person simply makes himself to be the stereotype of another, or he degenerates in his own negative way. However, this automatically leads to the fact that the positives are always pushed into the background and become destroyed, while the negatives become widespread and begin to dominate the world in their final form. But this means that the Earth person will never be able to resolve this ill if he does not begin with himself, in order to change these things. First and foremost, the person has to change in himself, in order, then, to change and bring healing to his person-to-person relationships. But this means that the person of the Earth must finally find the unconditional love and put it to use, for this is the only medicine that can cure the gigantic evil of the Earth person. All too often, I’ve heard that love can change everything and that love changes people. That is probably right but only within the context that also a consistent discipline is exercised, which is why not only unconditional love can and should be preached, but also the necessary teachings must be incorporated therein.

Quetzal:
20. But now, you just fulfill this mission.

Billy:
I should do that, yes, but one simply does not get through. There are, for example, new sects that are springing up like poisonous mushrooms and that allegedly spread love. This is, however, only a pretense of love, which makes the believers dependents and slaves.  The bosses of the sects can be recognized damn quickly, who can be enormous means of power and exploitation, trust and unconditional love, if it concerns a false and cultivated love. Thus, the love becomes, then, the means of power and exploitation, and all knowledge is removed from them, by what means fear and terror, discontentment, hatred, fanaticism, rage, and inadequacy can certainly take possession of the people again.

Quetzal:
21. The range and accuracy of your words are very well known to us, also the fact that you deliver these truths to the Earth people according to the best knowledge, understanding, and skills that are in accord with the mission, and we also very well know how much unconditional love is in you, which motivates you to accomplish your tremendous achievements.
22. And how strong your unconditional love is for the truth, for the fulfillment of the laws and commandments of Creation, and for the people and all remaining life forms, probably no one can judge better than we who have accompanied you in this life-preserving mission over all these years.
23. This unconditional love inside you – for all that is creative and, thus, for all ways of life – also forms the basic, driving force behind the fact that you further fulfill your mission in spite of all adversities, even though you know very well that you may no longer be able to fulfill it to the fullest.
24. And it is this same unconditional love that also allows you to continue to stand up for all those people, who destroyed so many years of your life, which you would yet have to live and which you would yet have to work, in order to be still able to fulfill your mission within the full framework.

Billy:
I wouldn’t know what reason there could be, in order to be able to destroy a once created, honest, and true love. That is simply impossible for me, which is why it is also impossible that I could no longer stand up for those people who have ruined my life and who continue to ruin it. On the contrary, I think that I must still find solutions very quickly and also ways to be able, perhaps, to show the fallible ones the right path yet. This is also the reason why I would have to make a proposal, if you want to hear it?

Taljda:
6. If it is a proposal that only refers to forbearance, then it can find no ear.

Quetzal:
25. That cannot be so, for our friend is thinking ahead.

Billy:
The contacts with you should last until 1986, if I survive up to that time, right?

Quetzal:
26. That is correct; that should actually be the case.

Billy:
Good, then can you tell me who was planned to lead the further contacts, starting from 1986, and from where these people should come?

Quetzal:
27. I can answer these questions for you because we soon would have spoken with you about this anyways.
28. It was planned that further contacts are to be established from the DAL universe, and again, a female person was decided on for these tasks.
29. Her name is Silafa (= one who fights for the truth).

Billy:
Nice, then my proposal: wouldn't it be possible that, as an exception and while still being compliant with a part of the good purpose of the mission, this new contact could take place earlier and even now, by what means we could already create a new beginning for everything? I mean, so that we could restore with it that original state, which also prevailed when Semjase came and before the negative things arose. You of the Pleiades could still fulfill your remaining task concerning the contacts and the mission, and simply two different contacts would run. This would give us the opportunity to find a new beginning that would be unencumbered by all the negative incidents in recent years.

Taljda:
7. That is a tremendous idea.

Quetzal:
30. But one that is typical of our friend, whom you should never underestimate.
31. The proposing of your considerations claims admiration from me, my friend, and it might actually be the full solution to all problems.
32. But to decide whether everything can be carried out within this framework, that's not my decision to make.
33. For this, I first have to ask the High Council for its advice, after which our entire leadership on Erra must then be asked, in order to evaluate it and come to a decision, together with all those who cooperate with me in our mission.
34. Then, it would be very necessary that once again, you would have to appear before the entire leadership of Erra.
35. On my side, however, I see a lot of positives in your proposal, and if I consider all the innumerable achievements on your part and your wisdom and all that, which is why you fulfill your mission at all, then I see no difficulties that could arise toward your proposal, which would actually resolve all problems with a single stroke.
36. There’s just the question as to whether after that, everything would actually continue in such a way as it was originally planned or as it can yet be expected.
37. But in this regard, you would have to appear before the leadership councils of Erra once again and maybe even before the High Council.

Billy:
I could do that, if you can already do a few things with it.

Quetzal:
38. You are equal to those and, thus, also to me in this assessment – which I actually already explained to you some time ago.

Billy:
But now, you are mad and crazy.

Quetzal:
39. My words correspond to the truth. –
40. Your proposal is of such value that tomorrow, I will strive to present these matters to the High Council and to our leadership councils.
41. I will certainly be back by midnight, after which I will then inform you in detail.
42. So now, we want to conclude our conversation, so that I can still make the necessary preparations.
43. Good-bye, and be of good hope.

Taljda:
8. Sometimes, you are very mysterious to me, my dear friend, but Quetzal will explain everything to me in detail.
9. Until we meet again.

Billy:
Bye together. Bye and lots of love to Erra and to the High Council.




186th Contact
Monday, May 9, 1983, 1:32 AM

Quetzal:
1. The decision has been made, with our leadership council as well as with the High Council and with my staff.

Billy:
And?

Quetzal:
2. The decision is positive, even with the leaders from the DAL Universe.

Billy:
And – what conditions were established?

Quetzal:
3. The conditions cannot be spoken of because through your idea, it has so turned out that the original state between you and us shall be restored, which prevailed during our initial contacts, whereby we also retain the variety of assistance toward you, including the impulses.
4. But what was withdrawn again via penalties, this cannot be returned again.

Billy:
Logically, that is clear to me.

Quetzal:
5. The ordinal rules made by you and the house rules, as well as the statutes and regulations, have become a further component of the group, and these have also proven themselves.
6. So these must continue to persist in their entirety, and they must also be observed – if only in the interest of the group, its permanence and mission fulfillment.
7. However, if it should arise that despite this great revolution and reform, the old ways persist, thus further violations and abuses continue to occur, then it means for you that we, as well as the new contact powers, will break off relations with you immediately and will never be willing to take these up again.

Billy:
And – would more penalties also be issued?

Quetzal:
8. No, not in any way, for then, we would leave you and the Earth people to their self-induced fate, without any assistance in relation to instruction, knowledge, and consciousness evolution, etc.
9. The contacts would just finally stop, but you would be left with everything that you have already received from us, except the helpful impulses, which we would also have to withdraw.

Billy:
And that is final?

Quetzal:
10. That is correct, provided that all group members agree with it.
11. They are truly involved in unfamiliar events and in this innovation and change, which is why they should decide on what the future should be – for them as well as for all of Earth humanity, for whom they bear all responsibility for delivering the teachings, no matter what happens, and this decision must be made this week because if the group should decide in a positive fashion, then during this week, you still have to appear before the High Council and before the great meeting of our leadership council, in order to justify yourself and answer questions.
12. In addition, with a positive decision of the group, it will be such that still within the course of this week, the new contacting powers will take up communications with you, and it is now certain that only the first contacts will be of a physical nature, after which only telepathic forms will then find further use.
13. This should prevent something similar from happening as it happened with us, namely that we became too connected to the group members, which did not produce good results.
14. By pure telepathic contacts, the necessary distance is preserved, so such events cannot happen at other times.
15. But this means for us that during the continuing and finishing of our contacts with you, we will more and more dissociate ourselves from the group until the year 1986, which is why we will only have to speak of mission-related concerns, etc. of yours.

Billy:
That was also the sense of my own words from yesterday.

Quetzal:
16. That is correct, and we will hold ourselves to this exactly.

Billy:
I also expect nothing more.

Quetzal:
17. Good, then you will have to ensure that this change is discussed most urgently by this week in a meeting of all group members and that a decision is made.
18. However, you can do without a decision from Margaret Rose because her stupefying gossip, which has already given occasion to resentment and defamation, testifies to us that she hasn’t reached an understanding of this kind and, consequently, cannot grasp the significance of everything.
19. Also with Sissi, something similar must be feared, which is why concerning her, the present group members of the center should make a decision as to whether she should be incorporated into this decision.
20. And with that, I have said everything that had to be said for now.
21. Now, we await the decision of the entire group.
22. Until we meet again.

Billy:
And what about Elizabeth? She lives so far away. Couldn't one receive her answer over the phone?

Quetzal:
23. If that should be the best option for her, then act accordingly.
24. But now, until we meet again.

Billy:
Bye, my friend, and damn it, I thank you.

Quetzal:
25. Thanks are not necessarily from your side, quite the contrary:
26. We have to be grateful to you because you gave us a solution that can truly solve all problems under certain conditions.
27. And it is a solution that is not just admirably good, but one which we ourselves could have come to if we…

Billy:
Leave it; in any case, nothing reasonable will come out of it. Go already – bye.

Quetzal:
28. Until we meet again – and I should still give you all love from our council of spirit leaders, from the High Council, from Semjase and all others.

Billy:
At least 30,000 greetings, thanks – and bye now.

Quetzal:
29. Then, until we meet again.

Billy:
Yes, go away at last, you gigantic dwarf.




187th Contact
Saturday, May 14, 1983, 7:00 PM

Quetzal:
1. Today, it should only be a short visit, in order to tell you that everything will still continue for several more days before the new contacts can take place.
2. The people who are responsible for this, particularly Silafa, need some more time for preparation, which might take 10 to 15 days to complete.
3. Furthermore, it has been found that Silafa is still burdened so much with her other and very important tasks, such that she might only lead these to an end, which means that a delegate will have to take over the new task for her for the duration of the time that is still officially running until the beginning of the regular contacts in the year 1986.

Billy:
This wouldn’t be further bad. It’s just important that a new beginning can be found and can also take place.

Quetzal:
4. That is correct.
5. Nevertheless, with the whole new business, you must ensure, and I must expressly suggest this to you, that the consequence of these contacts would take place within the framework and become as it already was in old times.
6. As you know, Sfath, like Asket, already gave you the condition that you must be committed to the mission with all strength, which you have also always done.
7. In addition, it was also demanded of you that you should never commit even a single offense against the adopted rules and regulations; otherwise, the contacts would be immediately terminated.
8. For two periods of eleven years, once with Sfath and once with Asket, you fully complied with this order, and there has never even been the smallest or least occasion for us to have to consider a reproach or even worse, despite the fact that you were still in your infancy at that time and, after that, in your half-grown age.
9. This is another reason for us not to understand and not to be able to understand the wrong actions of the Earth people, who are much older than you were then, who commit offenses and breaches, nevertheless.
10. Surely, it should rather be that these much older Earth citizens should be more dutiful than you could be during your infancy, to whom you never gave, at that time, even the slightest or smallest occasion for reproach.
11. A fact that is very unfortunate to mention and which will now be decisive in the future with regard to the welfare or woe of the mission and the continued existence of the group, in the duty-fulfilling sense.
12. As seriously and strictly as Taljda fulfills her duty and very watchfully and properly handles everything, which will be experienced by the group members in the meantime, our allies from the DAL Universe, however, will be event stricter and more accurate, which is well-known to you.
13. Their sense lies and is only focused on absolute accuracy and absolute fulfillment of all duties, as well as the full bearing of the major responsibility of every single group member, without the appearing of any offenses against the established rules, regulations, and statutes, etc.
14. A single violation of an individual group member will automatically have the consequence that all contacts, including ours, will finally be discontinued and never be resumed.
15. The reason is that in this and our joint mission to be fulfilled, neither misunderstandings nor errors, improprieties, violations of regulations, laws, and commandments, nor violations of rules, etc. can still lead to success but rather only the absolute fulfillment of all of that which brings success.
16. But this implies a true adulthood of the group members, linked with the acquisition of one’s duty to the full extent and also the recognition of duty and devotion to duty, down to the last detail.
17. The intention of this is that, consequently, every single group member, in every respect, will embody a full-fledged elite member, who is no longer capable of offenses.
18. And in this connection, you were already capable as a boy, so this should be child’s play for all older people, for all Earth people who are older than you were then, who are also more strongly and decisively pronounced in their knowledge and understanding, as well as in their reason, than what could be the case with you during your infancy at that time.

Billy:
That may very well correspond to the truth, but you couldn’t even talk with people again, in order, perhaps, to bargain for a chance. You know, even this conversion, in my view, will bring no great change in the thoughts and aspirations of those who are pleased to commit offenses. I think that it would only be fair from this, and after all that has been, if one would grant them a sevenfold chance.

Quetzal:
19. Your request demands honor for you and testifies of your deep sense of duty to the mission and its fulfillment.
20. But in my view, the fulfillment of your request would only induce them to continue further in their old ways, with the rather childish talk that they, the group members, are only Earth people and, therefore, are not fully accountable, and they could also never compete with you because you stand high above them in knowledge, ability, and understanding.
21. Unfortunately, the stupidity and rather primitive thinking still prevail in relation to this, namely that they, the group members, being Earth people, are likely to commit offenses of all kinds due to their inadequacy.

Billy:
I still think that a sevenfold chance should be given because after all that has happened, it is inevitable that offenses will appear in the form of transitional breaches.

Quetzal:
22. Your logic is simply stunning, and so, I will probably have to strive to do a few things in this direction.
23. Your argument of this form can hardly fall on deaf ears.
24. I will do my best.

Billy:
Thanks, dear brother, thanks.

Quetzal:
25. The thanks should be from the side of the Earth people, not from you, but also the honest word should belong to them, that finally, the duty will be grasped and be fulfilled, down to the last detail, whereby a possibly granted sevenfold chance will only remain as a precautionary measure and protection, which won’t have to be used.
26. But either way, I will do my absolute best.

Billy:
Thanks.

Quetzal:
27. Leave that now; the thanks are not due to me from you.
28. What must now be briefly mentioned is the need for the new contacts to be established first, only after which will the concerns with the High Council and our spirit leadership on Erra then be regulated, before whom you should choose to appear.
29. Thus, everything may still take a while.

Billy:
That’s also alright with me because I presently have a lot of outside work to do.

Quetzal:
30. That is known to me, but now, I have to pursue my other tasks again.
31. Farewell, my friend.

Billy:
Bye, and many thanks, as well as loving greetings to all.




188th Contact
Wednesday, June 1, 1983, 9:00 PM

Quetzal:
1. Unfortunately, I only come to you briefly, in order to tell you that everything will still take some more time than what was planned.
2. The new contact-powers first want to analyze every single group member thoroughly, before they decide on the final adoption of their task.
3. Since they’ve been here, they’ve been carefully observing everything in the center twenty-four hours a day and have found a lot of inconsistencies that cause them much concern.
4. For this reason, it is necessary that on next Saturday, all group members are to be present at your monthly meeting, for they are to be closely monitored and analyzed, without exception, by the new liaison powers.
5. At most, an absence due to actual health inability could be considered.
6. Furthermore, I have to advise you on behalf of us to intervene thoroughly in every relation in the future if offenses against the rules and statutes, etc. are committed by the group members.
7. You are to punish gross violations with the immediate effect that an exclusion from the core group for the fallible member takes place, without any consideration being given to who it is or who will be affected by it.
8. This is the advice from the High Council, according to which you should act.
9. The full responsibility of the actual implementation of such necessities should lie with you alone, whereby a vote of the entire group or the group board of directors is unnecessary because there is always the danger of sentimentalism and, consequently, wrong decisions, if a word is to be spoken over such important matters and decisions.
10. This means that for the time being, the advice of the High Council is to be followed, which in any case, also has the last word, as the statutes say.
11. Next, I have to tell you that now, despite everything, a penalty remains in force, as it was recommended by the advice of the High Counsel, which is that for seven successive incarnations, no contacts will take place with the group community – so these lives to be experienced would be among other people and other conditions – if an exclusion from the group must occur due to malicious offenses or if a group member excludes himself or allows himself to be excluded through betrayal and mission-destructive acts and, thus, through his own initiative in this respect.
12. Sentences 12 to 16: Purely internal affairs

Billy:
A damn hard thing, but whoever does not want to hear, must feel. Just as it says in an old word.

Quetzal:
17. That is correct, but listen further:
18. Already, there has been bad neglect again with respect to the meditation.
19. With all sorts of excuses, various group members try to keep themselves away from it once more.
20. This can no longer continue in such a way, for the progress already leaves much to be desired again.
21. Thus, you should make sure that no exceptions will be made anymore, not even when it comes to important works, which is why you’ve encountered losses three times.
22. Usually, such could take place within the framework of the cycle to be kept, but with these group members, it isn’t possible because they immediately make themselves exceptions to the rule, apart from a few responsible ones.
23. So in this respect, you can make no comparisons to and with your own awareness of devotion to duty.

Billy:
Thus, I will be concerned with it.

Quetzal:
24. Good, then I have said everything for today, if you don’t have another question?

Billy:
I have: what we discussed two months ago, regarding the impulses for our assistance, since we simply do not get ahead financially again and need a lot of materials for construction and work, couldn’t you continue these impulses a little longer? We still need your help in this respect.

Quetzal:
25. I can probably take responsibility for that, but at some point, I will have to make restrictions again.

Billy:
Thanks, my friend; then that’s it already.

Quetzal:
26. Until we meet again.

Billy:
Bye, and dear thanks as well as loving greetings to all.




189th Contact
Thursday, June 9, 1983, 2:09 PM

Billy:
You’re good, my friend, if someone would have seen you now?

Quetzal:
1. You conversed with your wife at the house seat.
2. Several times, I called you telepathically, but you did not hear my call because you concentrated very intensively on your conversation.
3. So I had no other choice but to go to the corner of the house in front of Eva’s bedroom in order to call you audibly from there.
4. At the same time, it wasn’t any different than that my voice was also heard by your wife, but this certainly shouldn’t be of any harm.
5. For my part, no one could see me because I was not visible to Earth-human eyes due to my protective equipment.

Billy:
Then it must be rather important for you to call me and receive me even in this way, such that not only I hear your voice.

Quetzal:
6. That is correct because I have to inform you that the new contact-powers still need a few more days to evaluate their recordings, which they made of the individual group members during your meeting on last Saturday.
7. Things do not look very good because the already evaluated analyses of some group members have triggered horrors in the new contact-powers, and terrors still arise within them.
8. It’s already been mentioned that they want to reject their task before they have even properly accepted it.
9. Thus, it may very well be that the new contacts will not come about because different analyses speak to the contrary.

Billy:
That cannot be true, nevertheless.

Quetzal:
10. However, this is so, and the final decision will be made around the coming weekend.
11. It may very well be that the powers from the DAL Universe will withdraw again.
12. However, this will only prove itself when all the analyses are evaluated.
13. But prepare yourself for the fact that a refusal might be the result.
14. That was the important matter that I urgently had to report to you.
15. And now, until we meet again, my friend.

Billy:
Bye, and tell the people that whatever their decision will be, I will accept it and will make them no secret of that because even I could perfectly understand a refusal.

Quetzal:
16. They already know, but anyways, I will deliver your words to them.
17. Until we meet again.

Billy:
Until we meet again, and also very loving greetings to the DAL friends.



190th Contact

Friday, July 1, 1983, 2:16 PM

Quetzal:
1. Unfortunately, it took a lot longer until my next visit than I had foreseen.
2. In accordance with your request, I thoroughly dealt with the powers from the DAL Universe and explained your arguments to them.
3. This has led, in the long interim, to the fact that they are positively committed to your request and have analytically worked everything out again, down to the smallest details.
4. The discovered results actually correspond to your data, observations, and conjectures, which has now led the new powers to take over their work, nevertheless, and to exert themselves decisively for all necessary interests.
5. On the 12th of June, right after your conversation with me…

Billy:
Of which, unfortunately, we have no contact report because you didn’t transmit this to me.

Quetzal:
6. In addition, neither time nor necessity was available for this.
7. It’s just important that our conversation took place and that you could propose basic arguments, which I then relayed and which led to success.
8. On the other hand, it also isn’t necessary that we keep in writing every word that is spoken to one another.
9. In any case, on the 12th of June, right after your conversation with me, I went before the High Council, to whom I submitted everything.
10. Your logical arguments were so persuasive to it that it immediately ordered the responsible powers of the DAL Universe to itself, after which a reexamination of everything and also those facts arose, which you demanded.
11. And the result of that was this:
12. The new powers now actually accept the responsibility of their duty.
13. Thus, the new contacts begin from now on, and you will be pleased to hear that primarily, Asket will be the liaison person to you.

Billy:
Ah, that is nice, and when will she be here?

Quetzal:
14. All of the DAL powers are already here and are preparing everything, in order to take over their task completely.
15. But Asket will first arrive here next week, after which she will then visit you immediately and without delay.
16. I wanted to report this to you, and only for this brief message have I come here today.

Billy:
Thanks, my friend. You are really a friend – and more than just that.

Quetzal:
17. We are all pleased, but now, until we meet again – until next week – and I am to give you the best regards from all – and also their gratitude, for they are all, including myself, in your debt.
18. Without your so logical and far-reaching arguments, no more success would have been granted to our mission.
19. The final departure of the DAL powers would have meant our discontinuance and the failure of all efforts, hardships, and the whole mission.
20. My thanks to you for what you have done.

Billy:
The thanks are due to you, my son, you alone, for it was you who hurried to the High Council and who presented my arguments and who hauled these to success. I have you to thank, my friend, and you deserve all our thanks.

Quetzal:
21. That is not correct because if you wouldn’t have proposed your logical arguments to me and wouldn’t have had me report these to the responsible persons…

Billy:
Bye, my son. Take off, at last, and all my thanks to you and all others.

Quetzal:
22. It… until we meet again, you who are also a true friend and brother to me.


Explanation:
On Friday, the 9th of November, 1984, Asket established personal contact with Billy, which was maintained in an unofficial manner until Saturday, the 23rd of September, 1989, and which was connected to various interests that were neither intended for the group members of FIGU nor for the public. During the contact time, even the core group members could not be informed about these unofficial meetings, which took place once a month during the entire contact time. The reason for this lay in the outside impulse assistance given to the core group members by Asket and some of her female staff, in order to promote the stabilization of the personal concerns linked with the character and personalities of the core group members. At the same time, however, the unconscious and subconscious cooperation of each and every member was of importance because everything took place and was carried out in complete informality. Then, in September of 1989, the intended workload was reached, but unfortunately, it had also arisen with complete certainty that Billy’s wife had deliberately struggled against each outside assistance and aspired to no change in her character or in her personality and, consequently, also did not admit the helpful impulses of Asket and her assistants. Then, as everyone knows, this led in 1997 to her exclusion by compulsion from FIGU, as well as to marriage separation. As a result of the impulse assistance from Asket and her three female assistants, Schukana (= the thoughtful one), Toschima (= the direct one), and Takaja (= the lenient one), there arose a general change in the behavior of the core group members, as well as in the attitude and character values according to consciousness, which led both to a more peaceful coexistence as well as to the general prosperity of mission readiness. Billy became single through the whole change – also through a large quantity of daily medication, many worries, much annoyance, as well as grief and nervous stress – which contributed to the overall great improvement in his health. To be sure, a discontinuance of the many daily medicines was no longer possible. Through the improving of his health by the medicines and through the many things burdening him by certain querulous core group members, he could increasingly devote his attention to the real task of his mission. Consequently, all works that he wasn’t able to master until then, due to the continuous quarreling of certain group members, were completed by him. Ultimately, much more extensive work developed through this over the next few years, which went much further than what he would have and should have done.

January 17, 2004 – Florena




191st Contact
Friday, February 3, 1984, 8:54 PM

Billy:
Really, it gives me great pleasure to see you once again. Be welcome in my modest abode.

Semjase:
1. Be greeted, dear friend.
2. I am also delighted to see you again.
3. It’s been so long since the last time we talked with one another.
4. But today, I did not want to neglect to visit you briefly, as we’ve always done on this day.
5. It’s just that today, unfortunately, you are clouded in your joy because your youngest brother has now been buried.

Billy:
That’s true, unfortunately. But on the other hand, this fatal accident may also have its good side, when I consider that my brother only had terrible pain and that it would have been much worse for him if his parents had died before him, which will now also soon be the case. But you know, on the other hand, the anniversaries of my birthday have been unpleasant from the beginning because all too often at this time, or a few days before or after, things have happened that were very sad or otherwise malicious or harmful. Furthermore, I also had an appropriate dream about ten days ago, and although initially, it was a little unclear to me, I still became aware early enough of what I should expect to hear when I went to the telephone in order to receive the message of the death of my brother.

Semjase:
6. Sure, but I find the way to be very awful as to how your brother was separated from life.

Billy:
That is also what burdens and occupies me, and I wonder why such young fellows are allowed to drive a car when they race as vicious thugs and killers over the streets.

Semjase:
7. You think like we do because we also cannot understand these things.

Billy:
It isn’t to be understood, but we should not continue to talk about it because everything is now an established fact, which cannot be changed any more.

Semjase:
8. Sure, I still have a question for you, which is how do you feel?
9. Through Quetzal and Taljda, I know of your accident, which took place in November of 1982.
10. But how you made it, that you woke up again after that nasty fall, got up, and continued on, it speaks against all logic after our discretion.
11. Quetzal also explained to me that you suffered various mutilations in the cerebellum and in the inner lobes and also the consequent pains and other ills.

Billy:
Yes, that’s true, and how I managed to wake up and get up again, I do not know. I am only aware of the fact that I was half unconscious for more than one and a half months at the beginning and was tossed about by dizzy spells and long-term vertigo, like a ship in wind force twelve.* Also, my memory and all my concentration were gone, so I had to try very damn hard during all the time since then to rebuild everything that is of importance. Two or three months ago, I even discovered that I can now keep my wrecked brain on track and can educate it as I rage war with a computer in a game of chess. At first, only the computer arose as victor from every match, but now, I have progressed so far that the computer loses practically every game.

*Translator’s Note: Meier’s comment, “wind force twelve,” was likely stated in relation to the Beaufort scale, which is a scale that is used to measure the power of winds, much like how the Richter scale measures the power of earthquakes. The Beaufort number 12, thus “wind force twelve,” is used to describe the force of wind that prevails during a hurricane.

Semjase:
12. As usual, you simply won’t let yourself fall but rather strive with all of your available strength.
13. That may also be the reason why you’re still alive after your fall.

Billy:
It may be, but something else probably came into play, like what we call here on Earth “luck” or “good fortune.”

Semjase:
14. A little of that would have been present here, but now listen: starting from today, it should be that you write the reports of our conversations again, when we transmit them to you.
15. Are you in a position to do so?

Billy:
It should be possible, but concerning this, I am also happy when we have something in writing again. There have been so many conversations in the meantime, but almost no word has been written of these.

Semjase:
16. Sure, unfortunately, that is true, for as I was guided by Quetzal, there have been 34 contacts that were not written down and this only since the middle of the year 1983.
17. In addition, there were 116 other contacts since our first meeting, which were also not held in writing.

Billy:
A right amount.

Semjase:
18. Sure, but now to something else:
19. Your work with the OM writing is going very well and of course, as usual, faster than we had planned, in reference to the monthly amount of work.
20. You should work a little more slowly because the strains are yet very large.
21. But my father and we are all very satisfied with everything relating to this, and I especially have to express to you the thanks of my father and his hope that every single one of the group members will do the work entrusted to him to the full extent and to the satisfaction of all.
22. What is addressed by this is that work which is necessary for the interpretations of every single group member and which is to be equally fulfilled by them.
23. These interpretations must be made verse for verse and be rewritten in the now customary and understandable German language, so that never again can falsifications and variations come into being.
24. But this can actually only be prevented by such interpretations, which should not be understood, however, by those who, so far, have not yet understood the full significance of our mission, thus also not the value of the mission.
25. In our opinion, such might no longer be the case among the group members, nevertheless, because so much has happened that every individual must have become perfectly clear about everything.

Billy:
I hope that everything will work out and that no more exceptions will appear.

Semjase:
26. We may certainly expect that after all these years and after everything.
27. Failures and offenses would actually only amount to treason, no matter what kind they would be.
28. And now, in reference to exceptions, you must also finally ensure that no more are made, for now the time begins when any exception has the most serious consequences, which can even cause the destruction of the entire mission.
29. From now on, all tasks and works must be fulfilled after the best ability and capacity; also, the times of the night watches and other types of services must be started and be finished on time, thus also the times and frequencies of the initiation and the meditation.
30. Through the High Council, we have gotten to know and have received the advice to inform you that in the future, all core group members, starting from the month of April of this year, have to appear in the center, namely for two Saturdays and two Sundays apiece.
31. This becomes necessary because attempts in a meditative form by the entire group strength must be made to change some very dangerous worthlessness in the earthly international situation; otherwise, dangerous changes will occur, which will lead to greater destruction than what the Earth and the Earth people would be able to bear.
32. Furthermore, you must start calling in your circle of friends, so that as many people as possible participate in this business, but in their own places of residence, for each strength is of utmost necessity.
33. I will give you more exact details in this connection in the near future.
34. In addition, the whole thing is also necessary for the group members because already for about two years, forces became effective in some group members, through which they remove themselves from the mission, but these are associated with the same forces that all of you must be concerned with on a grand scale, and you are also necessary for this.
35. One of our recent analyses has also confirmed to us the fact that some group members remove themselves more and more from the mission because through attitude changes that are incomprehensible to us, they are suddenly no longer able to recognize the responsibility that they must bear, so they also do not see the truth of the mission any more.

Billy:
But that was already so since time immemorial, that such phases appeared over and over again.

Semjase:
36. Sure, but the success of this has always been that all fallible ones and countless innocent people had to pay for this and were murdered in the most varied ways.
37. But the members of the current core group should now be beyond this and should know their responsibility, and it should otherwise be clear to all of them that for a long time, they make themselves indebted to everyone who is grieved due to their failure or their breach of duty.
38. All of them have received the same obligation with their consent and can no longer set this aside, even if they first received this obligation in this life and not already in the life before, as this is the case with several of them.
39. But if imponderable faults appear, then it will be very bad for the fallible ones, whereby this is entirely foreseen in the process that results in treason, as it will be the case with Thomas.

Billy:
I may not actually grant it to him.

Semjase:
40. He has to attribute the consequences to himself, and these already begin for him.
41. Unfortunately, he himself is not yet aware of the horror of all things, but this might be the reason why he only once had very loose contact with the group members in a past life and also why, at the present time, he couldn’t create a real connection or bond.

Billy:
That is well-known to me, but concerning the current mission, the group only had its beginning around two thousand years ago, even though everyone actually belonged to the same clique originally. But all of today’s Earth people, who were previously involved in the machinations of primeval times, are culpable for all evil.

Semjase:
42. Sure, but just because of this, all Earth people should concern themselves more over the fact that they fulfill their duties in full and that at other times, they do not cause the same or similar disasters by the fact that they breach their duties.

Billy:
They just don’t know that.

Semjase:
43. You’ve given no clarification about this?

Billy:
No, for I thought it better that way. On the other hand, how should I enlighten all Earth people?

Semjase:
44. Maybe it was actually so, but now, everything comes to language for those across the Earth in the OM writing, so you should create awareness.

Billy:
Actually, you could do that, for then, they can read about everything in the contact report. Also, it would be easier for you than for me, with my head.

Semjase:
45. Sure, I can do this favor for you; thus, I direct my words to all Earth people in this way:
46. The origin of the beginning of sorrow and all evils on the Earth is described in the OM writing by the prophet Henoch, in which he speaks of Semjasa and his followers who, at that time, went with him among the Earth people and caused disaster.
47. Semjasa and some others originated from a planet in the LYRA system, but others were natives of other worlds that are listed as NAKAR planets in the old registers and which belonged to a remote system with the name USOL and which were completely destroyed by acts of war shortly after the flight away.
48. The planet in the LYRA system was named NAGAL, and the other worlds: DEJMA, SENAS and TRJBOL.
49. Semjasa was the supreme leader of all, and Asasel was first secretly and then openly his adversary.
50. Through the incidents, as they are described in the Book of Henoch, they brought all evils to the Earth in their beginning, by what means the first two nuclear wars were released on Earth, as Semjasa and Asasel mutually annihilated themselves and their people.
51. After their rebirth, they were taken away by their former brothers and sisters on Earth, so in the course of time, they converted to the truth again and committed themselves to work on the Earth in the future, according to the strictest performance of duty, for so long until all damage and all errors were removed again, which they had caused in their incomprehensibility at the beginning of their time on Earth.
52. Throughout many lives, they slowly prepared for this task, which they then took over for the first time approximately fourteen thousand years ago, so at least some of them, while the rest of them were not yet ready.
53. But in order to be able to change everything, it was also necessary that everyone would change themselves into the thinking of the Earth people and, thus, forget their entire past, which has fully happened in the meantime.
54. A memory of this would not have been useful because as a result of any knowledge of the spectacular past, one might be inclined to take measures that would provoke renewed catastrophes.
55. Therefore, the advantage of the memory that they all possessed slowly had to sink into ignorance.
56. Many of today's Earth people, in the early days of the beginning of evils on the Earth, belonged to the group of Semjasa, who was their supreme leader, as was already explained.
57. The fact of today’s group members and of those who were culpable at that time, in reference to the same spirit form, is:

58. 1) Asasel (= The Obstinate)
59. 2) Batraala (= One the Muses Love)
60. 3) Temela (= Guardian of Honor)
61. 4) Semjasa (= The Demigod)
62. 5) Barakala (= One who Looses Shyness)
63. 6) Satana (= The Lovely)
64. 7) Asaela (= The Pliant)
65. 8) Armera (= The Cozy)
66. 9) Urakibarameel (= The Strong Leader)
67. 10) Ramuela (= One who isn’t Self-adorning)
68. 11) Luneera (= One who Shines in the Light)
69. 12) Arjjsa (= The Builder)
70. 13) Turelan (= The Miraculous)
71. 14) Tamiela (= The Exalted)
72. 15) Arazjal (= The Lovingly Gentle)
73. 16) Uralan (= One like a Suit of Armor)
74. 17) Larjjsa (= One who Looks after the Stars)
75. 18) Jomael (= The Flower-lover)
76. 19) Ubrala (= The Carefree)
77. 20) Samsafel (= The Loyal Companion)

Billy:
Thanks, it was easier that way. But it is still to be said now that in this life, some of our group members belong to the group for the first time, but in former times, others were already here, in firmer or very loose forms, as other personalities.

Semjase:
78. That’s right, and it should also be respected that yet others, who belong to this Ur-group, currently live on Earth, but who became missing from your group or who have not yet bumped into you.
79. In addition, this is the first time since the beginning of the great evil that in the present life until now, still no member has degenerated or received harm in such a way that one has met a forcible death or has loaded death-guilt upon himself, which can still happen, however, with one or others who are already strangers to today's group again.

Billy:
That, then, is not our thing, and we can really do nothing about it.

Semjase:
80. That meets the facts, but now, I do not want to trouble you any longer because for the first time, I don’t want to overload you already.
81. So I just want to give you and the group members all the dear greetings that were laid upon me by my father, by Pleija, my sister, but also from the entire spirit leadership of Erra, then also from Taljda and Quetzal, who are currently on Erra, and from all others.
82. Everyone gives you their feelings of love and hope that no more grievances will cloud our two-sided relationship.

Billy:
Many dear thanks are also returned.

Semjase:
83. Then until we meet again, and see you soon.

Billy:
Bye, girl. Bye.


Data on Semjase:

With the date of the 28th of January, 1986, the planned 11-year period for the ongoing contacts with Semjase had expired. But this only means that no other contact reports between Billy and Semjase will be published for the group and for the general public and that no other questions can be placed by these to the Plejarens, etc., while the contacts between the Plejarens and Billy would continue to exist, nevertheless, and it was not planned to conclude these. Thus, many more contacts between Billy and Ptaah, Quetzal, Taljda, Menara as well as Pleija, etc. have taken place since then, but the contact reports have not been officially published up to the new millennium.

Semjase spent the time from February of 1965 to June of 1973 with Asket’s people in the DAL Universe, without any contact with our universe. After her return to Erra from the DAL Universe in June of 1973, she came to the Earth in July of 1973 and resumed her task, which she had already taken up here earlier.

After that, the first contact with Billy took place on the 28th of January, 1975.

Out of all earthly languages, Semjase only mastered the German language and also learned no others during her stay on Earth up to November of 1984.

Her field of work was restricted to the European territory, and she had no authority to interfere with any concerns or to take up contacts in the areas of the two other existing Pleiadian groups working on the Earth, so in Asia and America.

On December 15, 1977, Semjase had a life-threatening accident at the Center, after which she was taken to Erra for medical treatment and for recovery and then came back to the Earth again on May 20, 1978 in the 107th Contact. She had ongoing contacts with Billy until the 144th Contact on March 26, 1981.

From the end of March of 1981, Semjase was absent from the Earth until January of 1984 as a result of other tasks.

February 3, 1984, 191st Contact: Last contact of Semjase with Billy.

In early November of 1984, Semjase suffered a brain collapse as an after-effect of the accident of December 15, 1977. She was immediately taken to Asket’s people in the DAL Universe, where she became healthy again through the assistance of her and her friends (Sona/Sonaer).

The complete regeneration of the brain and all consciousness powers, abilities, and memories, etc., which were lost as a result of the collapse, will likely take up a period of 70 years, as Ptaah explained, and during that time, Semjase remains in the DAL Universe.

According to the Contact Report of March 20, 1984, the core group of 49 performs the peace meditation in the Semjase Silver Star Center. Meanwhile, also other FIGU groups abroad, as well as many friends of FIGU all over the world and 500 million people of the Plejarens, participate in the peace meditation on every 1st and 3rd Saturday of every month at 18:30 CET and 20:00 CET (standard time) and on each following Sunday at 20:00 CET (standard time), in order to acquire peace on Earth.

Out of all 3 Plejaren groups (Europe, Asia, America) on Earth, only one person was named Semjase, namely the Semjase of the European group, who took up contact with Billy. Apart from Billy, she never had contacts with other Earth people on all continents (except a chance encounter in the Persian desert in the vicinity of Zahedan with a young German woman named Elsa Schröder, which only lasted for a few minutes), and this will remain so in the future.

Presented by Florena on January 22, 2004




192nd Contact

Tuesday, March 20, 1984, 8:38 PM

Quetzal:
1. Once again, you’re in a bad condition, my friend.

Billy:
It goes. It is as easy as ever.

Quetzal:
2. That is correct, and you say, in addition, that you are devastated.

Billy:
Sometimes, it just comes.

Quetzal:
3. That wouldn’t have to be, if you would finally be treated as the person who you really are.
4. I have followed everything and have witnessed the injustices that were started and that were imputed to you.
5. Since your serious breakdown, I have not failed in letting you be observed day and night.
6. You were confused during the first year to such an extent that you were no longer in your full framework, but we could never assess that you would have done things that would have been against nature or wrong, even though you often had a lot of trouble in moving yourself within the context of consciousness.
7. In addition, I must also say that it is a mystery to all of us as to how you can still live and how you could work your way back because in addition to the evil health damage, which no one can estimate, you have also gotten other things very well in hand again.
8. Although, your health leaves a lot to be desired and is extremely undesirable, and you will probably no longer be healthy; on the contrary, any excitement could kill you, yet you have done something impossible on your own.
9. A small part of the brain and other cerebral parts are partially destroyed and have vanished, whereby facts have been revealed that are also mysterious to our own doctors.
10. For instance, through the disappearance of the cerebral parts, it’s been revealed that your speech has been seriously disturbed, but also your memory.
11. You could hardly speak properly, let alone use your memory, which had fallen to just 27.2% of memory capacity.
12. But through your tremendous efforts alone, you could, for the most part, remove these damages again, so the defects are only on a very small scale.
13. Today, when speaking, you still have difficulties and probably will for the rest of your life; thus, you often cannot correctly pronounce words because your syllables simply get confused, even in the formations of complete sentences, which also leads to the fact that you suddenly swap the letters of words, as it also appears during writing.
14. Often, the words are not complete because you simply no longer express or write out the entire words, which is connected with your memory, which suddenly turns off because you are already a lot further with your thoughts than you are with your words.
15. For us, it was seen as impossible that through your own strength, you were able to come so far again as you are today, even if it is likely to be the highest level that you can reach.
16. But what isn’t likely to be removed again are the pains, the dizziness, the mental anxiety, and all organic evil.
17. Indeed, you have done something impossible for humans, namely that through the local knowledge of the missing parts of the brain, you have transferred their functions to other parts of the brain and have newly stored everything conceivably possible through hard studies and efforts, which alone would require at least several years with equipment, but the existing damage of the destruction isn’t to be removed again, and you also know this, and you’ve also said this to the others, who don’t understand it, however.
18. On the other hand, they also don’t know what is well-known to us, namely that since the 4th of November, 1982, every night and every day, you have always done whatever is necessary for your death.
19. Yes, we know that very well, my friend.
20. We know that every night and every day, you always prepare for death and that you die many deaths every night and every day, before your different medicines throw you into sleep, but no one can or wants to understand this, least of all your wife, from whom you have to endure the worst attacks, like before.
21. But we already spoke of that on February 3rd of last year.
22. But it is more than just primitiveness, what proceeded yesterday and the day before yesterday evening with you, and moreover with complete non-authorization, for what you did was perfectly acceptable and in accordance with the laws and commandments of the Creation.
23. There was no fault in it to be assessed by us, and we would have acted likewise in all the same cases.
24. However, you know how to judge everything better than we do.
25. But it all just confirms our former calculations, namely that the destructions come from your own group and from its outstanding members, as well as directly from your own family circle.
26. Presently, I am also thinking of Wendelle Stevens, who has been incarcerated as a result of a boundless primitiveness.
27. But now, my friend, one wants to do the same thing to you, in the same and in an even greater and more serious framework, whereby your own wife is considerably involved in this, as well as your daughter, who has also joined forces, for childish reasons, with the lost Thomas in this respect.
28. You see, that’s why I can fully understand, also the rest of us, why you have incorporated a television monitoring device in your workroom, so everyone can see what you’re doing inside.
29. It was the only solution for you, even if it is the most primitive one that we have ever experienced in our many hundreds of years of life.
30. In addition, you are now the only one in the community who no longer has his own personal space, where you could be alone for yourself.
31. In addition, the whole thing still entails that we can no longer stay in your workroom, where we loved it so much and where we felt at home, and in addition to this, in the future, you have to come to us, far away from all places and people, if we want to talk to you or if you call us.
32. As always, all evil is done to you because as of old, you are the most unwanted and unusually hated person on Earth because you should bring the truth, the teachings, and peace.
33. And in truth, it is also the case that I have to say once that even we were not always correct toward you, even though you are, in every respect, our example.
34. But often, my friend, we simply felt confused by your Earth manhood and regarded you as an original Earth person.
35. We have often misled ourselves in this and have seen you in such a way as how you mimic the perfect Earth person, even though we know that your spirit form is far superior to ours, even if it has to be choked in its power on the Earth up to 27%.
36. It would be good if even the group members would think once about that; then they could, perhaps, learn to understand that you are the loneliest person on Earth.
37. Thus, for once, I would like to give them a nut to crack and tell them that already for a long time, you have truly no longer been a person but rather a pure spirit form, who has allowed himself, out of the deepest love for 7 billion years, to be pressed and forced into a human body again in order to help.
38. Yet how these do give you this agony – even those who should be your allies?
39. It is truly a disgrace, like with the Wisest of the Wise, referring to Nokodemion, whom one calls, in the level of the Arahat Athersata, the perfection of love and fulfillment.
40. All of those people who are gathered around you should think of that at least once.

Billy:
You shouldn’t talk like that, Quetzal.

Quetzal:
41. That wouldn't be right because with this, I air no secret that wouldn't be good, and that is the truth, and this needs to be said once, so maybe one will even become reflective.

Billy:
One will call me even more than a crackpot and a lunatic; therefore, I would be glad if we could regard all these words as being unspoken.
 
Quetzal:
42. However, that is exactly what we don't want, and that is our common will and firm determination.
 
Billy:
Then just not, I will simply have to pay for it.
 
Quetzal:
43. It won't be quite what you suppose, but it really is bad enough already.
44. I just hope that you won't realize your ideas that you had yesterday in your misery.
45. Nevertheless, you know that if you do it, then the whole mission collapses, and moreover, you would hurl yourself back into your level, so you could not become human again.

Billy:
Yes, I know, that's why I also laid the thing out of the hand again.
 
Quetzal:
46. With that, you have rid us of an evil fright, for we know very well that you are not afraid of that and that you stipulated such a solution, without the appearance of guilt and the consequences of guilt, before you committed yourself, in your spirit form at that time, to renewed manhood, so that in an emergency, if you were no longer able, you could put an end to everything and immediately re-enter your true level.
 
Billy:
You really shouldn't talk about these things.
 
Quetzal:
47. But it is of necessity, my friend; thus, let the worry of the decision only be my worry.
48. Just think of what one does to you out of the purest jealousy, out of hatred, and out of rage.
49. You should also keep in mind what was done to Wendelle Stevens and that one wants to try the same thing, in an even worse form, with you.
50. But an idea just came to me, so that you won't have to go far away to our contacts:
51. You could turn off the monitoring system in each case when you are not speaking with someone in your workroom.
52. If you are alone in there, then certainly no one can find something wrong with it, and then, we could still come to you, and we could stay in your room that is native to us.

Billy:
You know, I would rather not do that. It would probably be even better if only you would come to the contacts because sooner or later, the still primitive persons responsible for this will exclaim that I myself had abused Semjase, Taljda, and the others.

Quetzal:
53. Such has, indeed, already come to our ears from your own wife and also from the outside, as you know, but that does not trouble us.
54. We know, like in everything else, the truth, and we know the full truth of what you've done and haven't done, even if everything is completely different from what is claimed and accepted.
55. But, perhaps, it would be good in this connection if you would actually stop all assistance, at least for a few years, and actually leave everyone to their own activities of the evil hours.
 
Billy:
Then the store and half the world would fall apart.
 
Quetzal:
56. That is correct, and it would also have very serious consequences for them, which they would have to attribute to themselves, as it has always been the case, even when you did not deal with them for just a short time, with full attention being given to assistance, because you simply no longer had the strength, in addition.
57. Nevertheless, it would certainly be good because maybe this would also be a lesson.
 
Billy:
Let's conclude this subject, please. Tell me, please, as to how long and when the meditations for peace should now take place.
 
Quetzal:
58. As you wish:
59. They will be on the first Saturday and Sunday of each month, namely in the sense that the Saturday meetings and Sunday meetings are valid.
60. Then, after these days, the next meetings follow 14 days later in each case, but also on Saturday and Sunday.
61. The times will remain the same for all days, namely 20 minutes per procedure.
62. At the same time, it is necessary for the core group members that they are all together at these times and that they form the most important block.
63. Failures may not appear because the ring would be weakened in the way that there would be a percentage of waste of the entire power, which would be serious for the current small group because 100% of the power must be gone out.
64. In addition, the measure of this can be determined by taking the number of group members and dividing it by 100%; through this, you have the percentage of each group member.
65. Now, the times, during which meditations should and must be carried out, are:
66. Respectively on Saturdays at 6:30 PM and at 8:00 PM and on Sundays at 3:00 PM and at 8:00 PM.
67. In addition, if difficulties arise in relation to the meditation and the initiation of the individual group members, then time changes must be made there.
68. But I will be responsible for ensuring that everything can be changed without harm, without causing difficulties.
69. Furthermore, it is necessary that now, all current core group members, except Margaret Rose, subject themselves to the registration in the SOHAR Center, which must be accomplished by the 31st of June at the latest.
70. Margaret Rose must be excluded from the group if she does not appear at this next meeting, and even if she does appear, she may not participate in this meditation.
71. All of her fuss is confused, and she cultivates the same thoughts as Amata at that time.
72. If she could remain in the group, then only in the sense that she completes her Center-meditation and the normal Ring-meditation.
73. Contact Reports may no longer be handed over to her ever again but may only be read aloud.
74. She isn’t actually sick but rather offended because you told her the truth, which she does not want to accept.
75. This is also the reason why she creates fantasies for herself and invents lies, also in relation to her health.
76. If she can still continue to remain in the group, then only by the fact that she does not succumb to the provisions that are of an unpleasant form.

Billy:
I understand.

Quetzal:
77. That is good, and I would also like you to understand that I am grateful to you for the fact that at that time, you gave me the suggestion to change everything in the SOHAR Center in such a way that only persons of the same sex may enter this, without everything being extinguished.
78. We have introduced this in such a way with ourselves and have won some great values from it.
79. Concerning this, I am to convey to you the thanks of all our people.

Billy:
Thanks, but it isn’t worth mentioning because I only had an ulterior motive here, namely so that one could no longer accuse me of the lie that I would harass and abuse our female group members in the center.

Quetzal:
80. We knew that all too well, but we are still grateful for it.

Billy:
Then so be it.

Quetzal:
81. You’ve done nothing wrong with your thoughts, which I still must tell you, and now, my dear friend, farewell, until next time.
82. Perhaps another solution can yet be found because of your workroom and because of us.

Billy:
Bye, my friend.

Quetzal:
83. Let us now quite simply and officially say “Salome,” as we’ve always held to this, because recently, you have so introduced this with the group members, as it is our custom and right, even if it hasn’t prevailed with the group members yet.
84. Salome.

Billy:
Salome, my son, Salome. Oh, wait, something else: in the future, I will no longer attempt to describe to the group members the exact points of their emotional centers and the points of their foreheads and also won’t carry out the measurements for the keywords. You see, I also already speak with your words; I also say “group members.” Somehow, something is just not quite right with me.

Quetzal:
85. It is also correct, but I would like to tell you that I do fully understand, and secondly, it is also no obligation for you that you do these things.
86. Finally, it is also not your job to carry out these works.
87. Yet so much, in addition.
88. Salome.

Billy:
Bye and Salome.




193rd Contact
Tuesday, May 29, 1984, 1:44 PM

Quetzal:
1. After our last conversation and after the inspection of your copies of contracts with Lee Elders, it urges me to speak to you today and to clarify some points.
2. After reading the contracts, I’ve found out that these have been made on the part of Lee Elders exclusively for purposes of personal profit.
3. There is a certain amount of dishonesty in them and a severe disadvantage to your person.
4. However, it must also be said that you don’t need to worry in any way because these contracts with Lee Elders are, in all points, invalid and meaningless, for they are contrary to all articles of the statutes of your Free Interest Group, FIGU, which were already created before these unlawful contracts came into being.
5. Thus, you couldn’t sign these contracts in accordance with the FIGU statutes at all, so they are worthless.
6. On the other hand, they also possess worthlessness because they are composed and written exclusively in the English language, without them being held in the German language, whereby you could literally read them.
7. You aren’t so strong in the English language that you could have understood these sophisticated contracts, and moreover, they weren’t translated for you into a useful form.
8. Therefore, they also have no validity in this respect, and you are free from all commitments in this connection.
9. If Lee Elders wants to have any rights, then new contracts would have to be made, which also correspond to the statutes.
10. But in the future, such contracts would have to be taken by me personally for examination, before a signature can occur.
11. Furthermore, I have to say the following:
12. Not in the least do things of evil occur in the United States through the assistance of Lee Elders, by what means profit is supposed to be made through our cause, but you are the financially disadvantaged person, along with FIGU.
13. Thus, Lee Elders still promotes it that people such as B. C. can work nonsense and can make a profit for their own benefit, which brings more harm to our cause than benefit.
14. This has become clear to us through our own investigations in the USA.
15. But only now could I do this, after our group there said good-bye and took off two days ago in a definitive form, as this has also happened with the group in Asia.
16. Thus, our group is now responsible for the entire world.
17. And as an order-giving person of this kind, I now order that Lee Elders immediately stops all absurd machinations of all kinds and starts to work in accordance with our instructions.
18. In addition, this comprises the following major points:
19. 1) The eliminating and repairing of all machinations, such as in the case of B. C. and Dr. F. B.
20. 2) The translating and publishing of the Contact Reports into the English language.
21. 3) The modifying and appropriate reshaping of the regrettably completely inadequate film "CONTACT" to a film of our imagination.
22. 4) Publication and public screening of the appropriately reshaped film "CONTACT."*
23. 5) The preparing of new contracts that are valid for the statutes of FIGU and that are also useful for FIGU, Hinterschmidrüti.
24. 6) All of this must happen within the next three months, so by the 31st of August, 1984 at the latest.
25. If the date of the 31st of August, 1984 becomes forfeited, without the aforementioned points being satisfied, then we will draw off the hand of Lee Elders, and we will strive with all means at our disposal to allow the cause of Lee Elders to collapse in all points and concerns.
26. This means that we may ruin his work in every way and may destroy it if he does not now follow our given orders.
27. The first step relating to this has already been done in that we withdrew our liaison groups in the USA and in Asia because it isn’t right that visionaries and swindlers use us for profit purposes.
28. But this has already been done by B. C. and Dr. F. B., as well as by several others, which was uncovered as a result of your last conversation.
29. You mentioned that this Dr. F. B. and this B. C. claim that they have had contact with Semjase and Ptaah and with others of our European group, which in no way corresponds to the truth, of course, because we have never gotten in contact with any Earth people in the USA or otherwise outside of Europe.
30. Our contacts in Europe had reference to four people, of whom you are one, while two of the remaining three are now dead.
31. So now, there are only two contacts of a conscious form, whereby physical contact with you and only purely telepathic contact with the other person are maintained.
32. The remaining contacts are of an unconscious nature, so the connecting persons suspect nothing of them.
33. In Asia and in the USA, all contacts were also of this kind, namely according to purely telepathic impulses, without the relevant Earth people suspecting anything of their contacts.
34. So there can be no Earth people in America, who consciously had contacts with our people or with the ones of the Asian group.
35. Whoever maintains this must simply be called a swindler and a fraud.
36. You yourself know very well why this is so and why only you are our mouthpiece and for what reasons only you can be our contact person in the given form.
37. Anyway, it is now the case, however, that we've withdrawn the groups in the USA and in Asia until further notice, namely for so long until the waves have smoothed themselves again and the truth has prevailed.
38. Of course, this also has developmental disadvantages for these States as a consequence, which can vilely affect them politically.
39. But regardless of that, we persist in this until the truth has prevailed, before we once again concern ourselves with the thought of stationing our development-assisting people in these States at some other time.
40. Make this known to Lee Elders.

*Translator’s Note: The film “Contact” was eventually published and is now available in DVD format as “UFO CONTACT MOVIE,” which can be purchased from Wendelle Stevens at UFO Photo Archive's Website.

Billy:
I will do that; you can count on it.

Quetzal:
41. In addition, he should consider our word, if he does not fulfill his obligation within the three given months.

Billy:
Of course, I’ll let him know. Regarding Roberta Brooks, I already wrote to him.

Quetzal:
42. That’s good, and concerning this, I also give him time until the 31st of August, 1984.
43. Even if the addressed film corresponds in no way to our and your conceptions, it could still be helpful somehow.

Billy:
I already wrote Lee several months ago that the film is tasteless and doesn’t correspond to my conceptions.*

*Translator’s Note: It’s true that ultimately, the film ended up not corresponding to what Meier and the Plejarens would have hoped for, but in this translator’s view, the film is still very informative for those who are new to the case, especially concerning the segments contained therein of the scientific analyses that were performed on some of Meier’s tangible evidence of extraterrestrial contact, which strongly support Meier’s encounters to be genuine.

Quetzal:
44. That’s also why you no longer have to feel bound to the contracts.
45. Furthermore, you absolutely must omit that you deliver further material for the time being.
46. Even the book you mentioned, which should eventually be written about you, you may not allow, at least for now.
47. We can think about it again if Lee Elders fulfills his obligation and also prepares new and, this time, valid contracts.

Billy:
Of course, I will adhere to that.

Quetzal:
48. Then I still have a few things of importance for the group members:
49. Since everything with the SOHAR center is now placed into your hands, I could regulate the concerns surrounding the initiation in such a way that with a failure of the initiation time, a loss of seven years wouldn’t appear but rather only a loss of seven months.
50. This is already programmed in such a way in the monitoring disc.
51. Moreover, it is now that time for you when the enterprise becomes self-supporting.
52. For this, you have to search for a suitable person for the organization, and this immediately.
53. Also, the initiative of the expansion of the group must now be seized at last, as well as the initiative around the lectures.
54. As usual, there’s a lot of idle talk about these interests, but nothing is undertaken.
55. There are just a few "specialists" in the group, who have large mouths, but at the same time, nothing is done.

Billy:
I also know that, my friend, which is exactly why I’ve left these points with Engelbert, in order to be set on the agenda for the next meeting.

Quetzal:
56. With that, you have done well.
57. It would be good if some of you would make appearances at good places, where such has already been brought into being.

Billy:
All of that is of no use if it isn’t then carried out, nevertheless.

Quetzal:
58. Again, that is also correct.
59. It is always the case that something is started and then is dropped again, but you can do nothing about that.

Billy:
It annoys me, however.

Quetzal:
60. Nevertheless, you have to try again.
61. But the people should be so far that they develop their own initiative because nothing comes from nothing.
62. This also applies in relation to “Rainer Schenck;” is this writing now finished?
63. Probably not.
64. Already for seven months now, Bernadette has put this off, which is really a disgrace.
65. You must call her to order through disciplinary action, or it obviously won’t be any different.
66. Already seven months ago, I asked that she be brought into a detailed discussion and be used in the work.
67. Now, it should have already been a long time ago that Bernadette would have fulfilled her obligation.

Billy:
Often and often, I told her that, and now even you as well. But what do you think now, with respect to Roberta Brooks?

Quetzal:
68. You know what problems we have in assessing the Earth people.
69. The rule is that we can only explore the superficial because we are not allowed to penetrate more deeply.
70. Thus, we only recognize the upper layers of thought, and what lies deeper than that remains foreign to us.
71. Thus, we can only recognize untruthfulness when it becomes obvious; previously, it remains unknown to us.
72. So we will not investigate secret thoughts, and what is served to us during the assessment of the Earth people very often corresponds to evil.
73. What I can recognize now in Roberta Brooks as superficial bodies of thought is of a good nature, so she doesn’t seem to be of a bad type.
74. But what possibly hides under the surface thoughts, that I do not know.
75. For this reason, I had to learn that I have to be careful with regard to closer observations.
76. I cannot and may not, in any way, afford to make another mistake in this respect.
77. The surface thoughts of Roberta Brooks are good, and according to these, I must act and decide.
78. So accordingly, I must declare that it should be ventured to entrust her with certain tasks.
79. Indeed, she has already demonstrated very great confidence through her work with the finances for the text translations, so it is to be supposed that she will continue to move within this framework of confidence.

Billy:
That’s what I think, but making decisions in this world is sometimes quite devilishly hard, my friend.

Quetzal:
80. That is correct, yet why do you say that I, out of all people, had to gain such bitter experiences relating to this?

Billy:
Because you are now my middleman, my friend.

Quetzal:
81. That is logical, of course.
82. But before I go now:
83. You still have the American video film that you could give to Roberta Brooks.

Billy:
We already thought of that, but we suspect that there would be difficulties with customs, and then, the film would be affected by radiation.

Quetzal:
84. I didn’t think of that, but maybe you will find a solution for it anyway.
85. But now, I must go; until we meet again, my friend.
86. And loving greetings to all.

Billy:
Salome.

Quetzal:
87. Salome, Arkadas.




194th Contact
Friday, June 15, 1984, 7:15 PM

Quetzal:
1. Today, I only come here briefly, in order to give you information and instructions about some things that are of importance for you:
2. 1) In reference to the male and female command officers as well as the ceremonies, you must note the following:
3. a) We have come to the realization that the future, in relation to the aforementioned, will no longer be determined by us but rather by the group.
4. b) Thus, the ceremonies are supposed to be prepared by the group and be calculated according to Earth measures.
5. c) Similarly, its own harmonious music should find entrance.
6. d) This likewise applies to useful and harmonious singing.
7. e) In reference to the command officers’ directions, the same applies because the how, where, and what should likewise be determined by the existing group.
8. 2) It is now high time that the already existing group begins to report and accept all responsibility itself, and indeed for all concerns.
9. 3) It may no longer continue that one always asks us for advice in all things, both important things as well as trivial.
10. In the future, the existing group has to decide everything itself.
11. 4) Our official time of contact for the general public is slowly approaching its end, so in the future, we will only very seldom visit you in this way, but everything internally will continue to be maintained.
12. And since this is so, every concern must also be worked out in the future by the existing group itself.
13. Similarly, our withdrawal of the public contacts also means that we will no longer get involved in public demonstrations of any kind, but coincidences cannot be excluded.
14. 5) Everything of the group that is now to be acquired should be prepared according to earthly standards and opportunities and be brought to application because nothing should be a template of our Erran patterns.
15. The Earth people live on Earth, so everything must be handled and must be regulated according to earthly values, which is surely to be understood.
16. 6) Even if we must cancel our official contacts, as it was planned, we will continue to linger on the Earth and will maintain contact with you, but we will otherwise remain only as observers and not in an active and intervening form.
17. This, at least until the year 2029,* after which, presumably, we will then finally remove ourselves and will turn our attention to other tasks that are foreign to the Earth, with the assurance that we permanently withdraw ourselves into our time dimension and never again return to this space-time configuration.
18. 7) More effort from all group members must urgently be put forth in all things if everything should now lead to success.
19. This also applies to the foreigners and particularly to the ignorant skeptics, such as Hanna.
20. 8) Your health has been very strongly hit and has been heavily damaged, which is why you need a rest, and for years to come.
21. As we see the situation relating to this, you will never be able to recover fully in this life, quite the opposite.
22. For this reason, you should now be mindful of the fact that you omit strict work in the future and transfer this to the existing group.
23. 9) You have already provided and written down sufficient material, which reaches, for the instruction of the Earth people, very far into the future.
24. And there is sufficient material available, such that with it, the group can now take the necessary initiative.
25. 10) Out of the existing materials, the group now has to prepare written interpretations, in order to expand everything to a great extent.
26. 11) Out of all of the existing materials, new writings and works must be prepared by the group, which are explanatory in all things.
27. 12) In the future, you should only function as a teacher and counselor, while the group members now have to take over the mission work in a more independent and self-responsible manner.
28. 13) For your health’s sake, we and the High Council have not yet become conclusive as to whether the intended additional contacts should be taken up with you now or in the year 1986.
29. Time will first prove this, depending on whether you survive this whole time and, if so, how you manage healthwise until then.
30. If the contacts should still arise, then they will probably be of a purely telepathic nature because physical contacts would probably neither be necessary nor portable for you or for the other side.
31. Then, furthermore, all our allies, who are also not replaced like us, will likewise withdraw themselves with us.
32. Only in the distant future will we, perhaps, return in secret to fulfill our remaining tasks, as is planned.
33. However, this will be when the Earth person has already long dominated spaceflight and has closed contact, in an official form, with other human forms in the Universe.
34. However, these human forms will be of a different form than we are, which is why they can physically associate with the Earth people.

*Translator's Note: I am not entirely certain as to why the Plejarens intend the year 2029 to be the time of their permanent withdrawal, but my best educated guess is that this could very well be around the time when Meier is to depart from this life. It is known that Meier has been made aware of the exact time and manner of his death, but I currently do not know if such information has been revealed publicly.

Billy:
Then contacts with other non-earthly humans are still coming in the distant time?

Quetzal:
35. That is correct, and it is to be expected that intelligences of non-Lyran origin will appear again, and as our calculations show, there should be those among them whose original, ancient forefathers already visited the Earth, if not always in a loving way.

Billy:
Probably those who showed themselves off as angry gods and other rulers?

Quetzal:
36. That is correct.

Billy:
But are you really so far along with your tasks that you can simply withdraw or at least retract yourselves, as this was intended according to the plan from the very beginning?

Quetzal:
37. The necessary knowledge has been given to the Earth people by you and by us, and this is, indeed, sufficient to lead a life in the small and large, according to the right policies, and to arrange everything accordingly.
38. The Earth person has to learn the rest through his own evolution.
39. But the road is still very long and difficult, especially when one thinks of the many acts of war and of the national enslavement, which will still haunt the Earth.
40. But listen:
41. The final departure on our part hasn’t been definitely decided yet; therefore, the contacts may still continue under certain circumstances.
42. But this will first prove itself.

Billy:
And the Third World War, what about that?

Quetzal:
43. Still for a long time, everything is unclear and everything stands on the knife’s cutting edge.
44. Things are so confused that no clear picture can be derived from it.
45. Currently, everything seems to point to such a war, but in contrast, the danger is less severe again.
46. However, all final facts show that this war is inevitable and, thus, that it will come.
47. But everything, as I said, is uncertain because these facts are changing constantly, particularly through the Peace Meditation, which should occur in a much larger framework, nevertheless.
48. It is probably effective in the existing smallest framework, but the foreign and hostile powers are simply too great, so at least only the alleviation of terror can be sought after if the great chaos is actually inevitable and, nevertheless, still falls, which still seems to be unavoidable, at least for the time of the prophecies.
49. But the future will tell what will be and what we, at present, do not yet clearly see.

Billy:
Then the people of the Earth must continue to live with the fear of the Third World War.

Quetzal:
50. Unfortunately, that is still correct for the time being, and with that, my friend, I once again said all that I had to say for today.

Billy:
I also have no questions because for some time, my head feels like it’s hollowed out.

Quetzal:
51. That is understandable because you are very lacking in health.
52. You need plenty of rest and plenty of sleep, and above all, you also must abstain from strains; therefore, I also don’t want to occupy you any longer.
53. Until we meet again, my friend.
54. Salome.

Billy:
Salome; bye.




195th Contact
Monday, August 20, 1984, 12:20 PM

Billy:
You are punctual like an alarm, my friend.

Quetzal:
1. That is correct because I still have many other things to do.

Billy:
Then I don’t want to delay you long and will tell you the facts immediately. It is the case that I have neither received the signed commitment that you demanded from Lee for a new copy of the contract between him and FIGU nor a new contract.

Quetzal:
2. It isn’t necessary that you enumerate the facts to me in detail because I’ve thoroughly informed myself about your concerns and am, thus, in the picture.
3. I am also oriented over your conversations in the center and over the many telephone calls, so also over Mr. G. G., whom you would gladly like to see as the new contractual partner.
4. To this end, I now have to tell you the following:
5. (Note: Sentences 5-26 were replaced by the following explanations.)
Lee Elders: personal issues with the performance and facts relating to Lee Elders, who was reviled by malicious machinations and slanders of insincere, dishonest people from Switzerland as well as from Germany and the United States in his honor, dignity, and integrity. Only years of investigations by Quetzal brought the whole truth to light in 2004, namely that since the beginning of the eighties, there were deliberate and malicious intrigues against Lee Elders, which led to many misunderstandings and a lot of unpleasant things. Exact details regarding the investigations only arose in the official Contact Conversations No. 357 (12:23 AM, April 26, 2004) and 358 (3:10 AM and 10:58 AM, May 6, 2004); in accordance with these, in the Special Bulletin No. 14, May 3, 2004, the following official explanation was published:

*Translator's Note: The following is an official, authorized translation of this portion of today's version of this Contact Report which was retrieved from here:
http://www.figu.org/ch/verein/periodika/sonder-bulletin/2004/nr-14/lee-elders-engl

In matters concerning myself:

Through slanderous intrigues that lead back to the early eighties, unpleasant differences resulted in connection with Lee Elders/USA, and as a consequence, a leaflet was printed in an edition of three hundred (300), and about one hundred and eighty (180) copies of it were distributed. The leaflet presented explanations that, more than twenty years later, turned out to be lies and slander and were quite consciously and calculably circulated by persons whose aim it was to oust me, "Billy" Eduard Albert Meier, from the position of being the virtually most important person in regard to the contacts with the Pleiadians. The idea of these defamations was to take my place through egotistic behavior, arrogance, and overbearingness, and push me into the background. The persons concerned intended with it to take over the stage, in order to be able to nourish their self-interest in living in a selfish and inconsiderate manner, and in fact, consciously and, thus, against better understanding, the truth was transformed into lies and slander in order to reach the abominable aims. Thereby, I was badly deceived and misled, while Lee Elders was evilly and slanderously reviled and was insulted to be a fraud, liar and thief. Through the truth that, in the meantime, has come to light with the help of the Plejar Quetzal, the whole sad matter presents itself in the way I have described above. That signifies that Lee Elders has greatly been wronged, for which I publicly apologize with great respect in this way and also hope that everyone who had acknowledged in good faith that slanderous matter will accept it as a lie and slander and correct the image of Lee Elders to see it again in the right light. In order to reach all the wrongly informed ones, and above all, to publicly vindicate Lee Elders, I choose to do this in this way through the channel of this bulletin that is circulated in my name and in FIGU's name worldwide in the Internet.

There is to be explained also that Lee Elders has never taken a stand and defended himself against the slanderous accusations and has patiently endured everything over a time of more than twenty years, and in spite of wrongful differences in regard to FIGU and my person, he continued to be a good and dear friend, and thus, I express my sincerest thanks to him. Would I have not asked Quetzal some time ago to finally get to the bottom of this whole matter, then this issue would have probably never been cleared up, and the differences would have continued to exist lifelong and would have caused discord. Therefore, I thank also Quetzal in this way, through the bulletin, for his immeasurable assistance, but I also thank Ptaah who strengthened me in my effort to publicly submit this unpleasant issue as it is presented here to the world, in order to end the defamation and slander towards Lee Elders - and to vindicate him.

"Billy" Eduard Albert Meier


Vindication of Lee Elders:

In 1994, a leaflet under my name, "Billy" Eduard Albert Meier, Semjase-Silver-Star-Center, CH-8495 Hinterschmidrüti ZH/Switzerland, was printed and has been distributed ever since in a circulation of about 180 pieces. In this leaflet, Lee Elders is wrongly described to be a fraud, thief, and a liar.

This happened as a result of awfully incorrect information that only now, at this present time and through the described clarification of the Plejarens, has been proven to be lies and slander.

Through these findings by clarification of the Plejarens, it could be shown that I, "Billy" Eduard Albert Meier, had been misled and lied to in matters of Lee Elders through several persons and their perpetually egotistic presumptuousness, their arrogance, perpetual insistence of knowing better, slander and defamation, as well as through their desire to play number one and be ahead of me and, therefore, be the most important persons themselves. Unfortunately, no human being is invulnerable to happenings of this kind - I am also not invulnerable, unfortunately.

Regrettably, I put my whole trust in the fallible persons, as they were able to foist proof and pieces of evidence on me that referred to a real fault or proof of guilt of Lee Elders, yet these "proofs" turned out to be completely false and untrue.

Thus, with my assumptions and with the leaflet against Lee Elders, I committed a wrong, and therefore, I sincerely apologize in all honesty to Lee Elders and banish the existing differences between him, my person, and the FIGU into the past.

It needs to be said that the aforementioned leaflet was not drawn up by me but by one of the persons who believed to be capable of taking over the position next to me, or even my position itself, by lying, slander, and providing false information.

Once more, dear Lee Elders, from my side as well as from the FIGU's side and out of a deeply felt need and necessity, I very much apologize for the differences in the past and the abuses caused by the leaflet, etc. For those who led me down the wrong path and who are today, fortunately, no longer part of the FIGU core group, I can regrettably not apologize.

"Billy" Eduard Albert Meier

*Translator's Note: This concludes the official, authorized translated portion of the current version of this Contact Report.

27. That, my friend, is what I have to say.

Billy:
However, I still don’t believe that the donors and I will come yet to our money, and also because of the film, there are still a lot of mysteries, as well as with regard to G. G., who recently no longer appears to me to be so morally upright, as he presents himself. (1/22/2004 – Billy’s Note: The contacts with the American G. G. ultimately had to be broken off because he acted in the opposite sense of FIGU’s mission and spread falsified writings.)*

*Translator's Note: In the 196th Contact Report, Meier mentions the American “G. G.” after Quetzal’s 13th sentence, and Quetzal’s 25th sentence seems to be referring to the same person, whose first name is further clarified to be “George.”  Thus, “George G.” can be none other than George Green of Global Insights. One can look into George Green and some of the literature that he has had published, to determine for oneself if George does, indeed, spread falsified writings, by visiting Global Insights' web page.

Quetzal:
28. That is well-known to me, but you have to determine all these things around the time of the 7th of September, when you have your meeting.
29. Everything is now in your hands, and you have to make the best of it.
30. For my part, I will announce myself again in the foreseeable future.
31. Until then, I wish you all good progress, dear greetings, and good wishes – even for those who will meet in the center on the 7th of September, in order to clarify the occurring matters and to record them contractually.
32. And now, until we meet again, my friend, until next time.
33. Salome.
34. Next month, we will talk again.

Billy:
Yes, Salome. Bye, and until we meet again.




196th Contact
Sunday, September 30, 1984, 1:30 PM

Billy:
I am sorry to tell you today that once again, you were mistaken on the basis of apparent facts. To all of that which I said to you in our last contact, you responded incorrectly because the actual facts look clearly different from those apparent ones that I was able to mention to you at that time. Of course, Lee Elders is no saint, and he hasn’t responded to your request, namely that he should have been here on the 7th of September, 1984, and he has also provided no new contracts, as you demanded this. This is true, but this is very well justified by the fact that Lee couldn’t come sooner, as he said, and that we really only had to discuss these things verbally. So it isn’t a malevolence of his that the appointment of the 7th of September, 1984 wasn’t kept but rather, perhaps, an act of defiance or such, I think.

Quetzal:
1. However, he shouldn’t have done that.

Billy:
Certainly not, but anyhow, it seems understandable to me. Well, in any case, it is also such that at least a few things of what was said about him and his actions don’t correspond to the truth. The charges that have been made against him don’t all correspond to the full truth, so it is, at least in part, a clear case of slander. From Wendelle Stevens, I know from a telephone conversation and from letters that parts of the allegations against Lee Elders are nothing but malicious slander. In addition, Lee was able to bring me some written material that proves to me in other cases that those accusations, in reference to financial interests and the fact that he doesn’t work in our sense and in the sense of the mission, are nothing but malicious slander.

Quetzal:
2. Are you sure of that?

Billy:
I’m not a hundred percent, but the materials allow me, at least at the moment, to make no other judgment. To be sure, a lot isn’t right with him, yet time will prove all of this.

Quetzal:
3. Then, perhaps, I acted very wrongly toward him with my last conversation, for which he should be lenient towards me.
4. I really don’t know where I should stand any more because I always commit a blunder with the Earth people when it concerns the assessment of things that are of such form.

Billy:
You should once come to terms with it and thoroughly deal with the fact that the people of the Earth are no saints and, above all, neither is he. With the Earthlings, it is such that lies are invented for all possible purposes, so apparent facts also become generated, which can be quite devilishly deceptive because they are only apparent facts or lying facts.

Quetzal:
5. You already told me that on many occasions, but I simply cannot come to terms with it because the fact that people lie is unusual and foreign to me.

Billy:
Of course, but still, it is just so on the Earth. The Earthlings are not Pleiadians, to whom lying is a foreign word. For this reason, you shouldn't always take everything so devilishly seriously and at face value, if you…

Quetzal:
6. That is correct.
7. I should rely more on your senses and on your feelings, I know.
8. That is also true, but I am stuck in my skin as you are in yours, if I may speak with your words once again.
9. So I just let myself be fooled again and again, even though I actually resist myself against it.

Billy:
Good, then now hear me once: as I estimate things, the facts are as follows: possibly someone around Roberta Brooks, or she herself, invents slanderous accusations against Lee Elders, apparently through a web of lies. This is presumably done in order to dislodge him and to boot out him and me as well as FIGU one after the other. The reason for this can probably be found in the fact that Roberta or someone else can and wants to step into the place of Lee Elders. But as things look, everything points to Roberta, which I cannot prove, however. For this reason, I also wouldn’t like to maintain that it is she herself or that the allegations against Lee Elders might still be right.

Quetzal:
10. Why do the Earth people only lie and slander, my friend?

Billy:
Lies and slander are usually done out of greed and selfishness or for other personal benefits.

Quetzal:
11. That is incomprehensible to me.

Billy:
For you and yours already, but if you could finally imagine yourself in the being of the Earthling, then you would be able to understand everything. Yet this will probably never be the case.

Quetzal:
12. It is, perhaps, better if I cannot do that.

Billy:
Then it would be appropriate that you finally listen to my words more, even though I can also be severely mistaken – also concerning Lee.

Quetzal:
13. I would gladly like to do that, even if…

Billy:
Good, but how does it stand now with the book printing in America? I think that one should quietly leave these things in the hands of Lee. But in this connection, one has still dragged in G. G. and a certain Benedict. In addition, there’s Gary Kinder, who wants to write a book about me,* which I only find to be good. Lee also brought me a check concerning this, which I immediately cashed. I think that one should really write this book and that one shouldn’t disappoint Lee Elders for his efforts relating to this.

*Translator’s Note: The book that Gary Kinder ended up writing on the Meier Case, which one can read by clicking on the link, is:
Light Years: An Investigation into the Extraterrestrial Experiences of Eduard Meier

Quetzal:
14. You’ve already acted and have surely done the right thing.
15. Concerning the book of Gary Kinder, nothing is to be argued against it, which is why I can and probably have to give my consent for it, for you’ve already cashed the check.
16. After the things that you’ve told me, the facts in a variety of concerns, of course, look different from what I had supposed on the basis of what had happened, so Lee Elders is, at least in part, without reproach in these things.
17. But what I must continue to criticize are the contracts because they are written incorrectly.
18. As the contracts exist, the Contact Reports are also included therein.
19. But this may not be the case because they do not belong to the photographic material, but they form a part of your clerical work.
20. If Lee Elders wants further cooperation, then he has to provide new contracts, which specify everything clearly in this respect.
21. Therefore, the Contact Reports must separated from the existing contracts and be placed among the remaining writing material.
22. If this is done, then I can agree to the fact that Lee Elders is granted the right to make publications, also in reference to the Contact Reports.
23. However, the condition is that he extracts the Contact Reports from the material awarded to him of the UFO interests, namely through a corresponding contract.
24. If this is done, then he should be given the right to publish the Contact Reports in the sentence-numbered form, as they exist in the German language.
25. At the same time, it would certainly be of value if Lee would collaborate with Benedict and George, but this is to be determined on Lee Elders’ side.
26. The other writings - and yes, there are many - must also be published of course, and concerning this, I suggest that Lee Elders also undertakes the necessities, together with George and Benedict, if that can be done.
27. It is especially of importance that the book OM is published, along with the other writings.
28. It should be specifically noted that the book OM is held as bilingual, as well as the Decalogue.
29. For other writings, this is also absolutely necessary and, thus, not just desirable.
30. OM and Decalogue must be numbered sentence by sentence, like the originals, as well as the Talmud, Genesis, and the Introduction to Meditation.
31. For the remaining writings, such a numbering of the sentences isn’t absolutely necessary.
32. It might also be of importance that also the Talmud, Genesis, and the Teaching of the Meditation are held as bilingual because these are also important writings, like the OM book and the Decalogue.
33. A great concern of mine is the Storybook.
34. On our side, we find this work of yours to be very good and also very instructive, which is why we are also interested in this being published.
35. For this, G. G. might be able to be the authoritative person, who takes care of this important matter.
36. But first, you have to clarify this.
37. In order to let things take their course, however, I have to set another condition:
38. Within two years, efforts actually have to be made that lead to a success; otherwise, renewed contracts will expire.
39. The time has already long been exceeded, in which the writings should have been published into the English language.
40. For this reason, I must insist that within two years, what is necessary is done.
41. Should this not be the case, then you’d have to look around elsewhere, in order for the writings to be printed.

Billy:
Two years, in and of itself, is a brief time because such things are very time-consuming on the Earth.

Quetzal:
42. Still, I think that this time is reasonable because I do not say that by the expiration of the time, the writings must be printed but that simply what is necessary is done to ensure that the writings go to press and can be brought among the people.

Billy:
That, of course, is different. Then I can negotiate now with Lee?

Quetzal:
43. That is correct.
44. In addition, I would like to leave you a free hand here, but you must take into account the points that I mentioned.

Billy:
Then, I can negotiate with Lee at my own discretion?

Quetzal:
45. That is correct.

Billy:
Then I would like to conclude our conversation for today because one certainly already waits eagerly to see what you had to say.

Quetzal:
46. One knows that I’m here?

Billy:
No, but one knows that you promised me to come again in the month of September. And today is, nevertheless, the last day.

Quetzal:
47. Then until we meet again, my friend.
48. I will come again at the end of October.
49. Salome.

Billy:
Salome and bye.




197th Contact

Tuesday, October 29, 1984, 12:38 AM
 
Quetzal:
1. From now on, it should be such that we no longer address all the old concerns regarding the group members, as well as the matters surrounding Lee Elders, for your health's sake.
2. Your health condition is really very vile, so we fear the worst and don't want to burden you with all the troublesome concerns any more.
3. We have well-covered and discussed everything, and we determined that it shouldn't have been possible for you to have been able to complete the work OM yet.
4. It is incomprehensible to us that you were still able to do this, in spite of the evil consequences of your collapse in the early morning of the 4th of November, 1982.
5. It is mysterious to us as to where you got your strength and energy because from a human/physical perspective, it shouldn't have been possible that you could complete the work yet.
6. From now on, you should no longer be confronted with the wretched things of the past and present but rather only with the conversations and interests that are unrelated to these, so that you have more peace and quiet.
7. In order to guarantee you this, we've also decided not to transmit to you our joint conversations any more in the future because your powers and energies are used up too much by the telepathic transmissions, and you are brought to the brink of exhaustion.
8. At the same time, we think that since all our conversations, etc. are stored by us anyway, we can still transmit these to you at a later time, when you get back up to full strength again and cope with all the evil precipitations and when you've gotten along with the subsequent troubles appearing for the rest of your life and have learned to master these yourself.
9. Then, regarding these later transmissions, it will be a question of whether the group members have an interest in these; consequently, they will then have to decide whether the contact conversations should still be transmitted.
 
Billy:
I understand your behavior and your decisions. However, your contacts won't last for all too long anyways because these will end in 1986 since the 11-year cycle will be concluded.

Quetzal:
10. That is correct, but other steps were already taken as a result of your collapse and the resulting consequences for your health, so we retain the right to maintain the contacts further, about which you will be notified at a later time also by Ptaah, and it will be made understandable when he will officially continue to maintain the contacts with you, starting from end of the year 1989.
11. Until then, the still ongoing contacts will be continued by me, after which I will then take my leave for a long time because I will have to turn myself to my duty of becoming a King of Wisdom.

Billy:
Ah, that is pleasing, I mean with respect to your becoming a King of Wisdom.

Quetzal:
12. Also Semjase will attend to this duty in the future, indeed, in the DAL Universe.

Billy:
Nice to hear.
 
Quetzal:
13. What I would still like to explain today is that in the coming years, we will intensively devote ourselves to your secret that surrounds you.
14. Even though we have already won some important insights, the whole thing is still so obscured that we cannot make ourselves a clear picture.
15. However, one thing has been certain to us for seven days, namely that we were very strongly mistaken, unfortunately, about you in your value and that you know a lot more than what you’ve previously betrayed to us.
16. In the meantime, we also know that, against better knowledge, you have often presented yourself to us as ignorant and that, especially in relation to the spirit teachings, you possess more knowledge than we do.
17. Why you have done and still do this, we haven’t been able to fathom yet, but the coming time will surely unveil the mystery to us, if you do not explain yourself in these matters.
18. Certain old records have pointed out to us that Ptaah’s father, Sfath, knew very much more with respect to your personality and your mission, as well as with respect to your happier personalities and the origin of your spirit form and all related things.
19. Only, why we haven’t received from him any exact and deeper explanations and information about this is unknown to us.

Billy:
Do not lead me into temptation and do not drive me into the devil’s kitchen. I understand your allusion and your desire very well. Sorry, but I may not lend you and all others a helping hand because you must be anxious about this yourself, in order to find out everything. When I was just a boy, I gave Sfath my promise at that time that I would be silent for so long until you figure out everything yourself. This has its specific reasons, but you also must sift through them on your own. You know that I cannot speak and may not speak because a promise should not and must not ever be broken. Nevertheless, if this would happen, then this would be treason, namely against Sfath and against honor, as well against myself.

Quetzal:
20. I understand that very well, and in my hidden attempt to elicit a few things from you, I hadn’t thought of that because I wasn’t aware that you gave Sfath a promise in relation to this.

Billy:
No malice from either Sfath or me lies behind this, but rather, it finds its justification in very important matters, which you must fathom yourselves, nevertheless, which again has its certain meaning. For this reason, it would be very dear to me and right if these things were no longer spoken of in the future, namely up to that time when you have fathomed the mystery. That will probably still take a few years, but for you, that doesn't really matter because you have completely different concepts of time and a life span that stands in no relation to mine. When I am old and gray and dead and rotting, and my spirit form already lives a long time again with other, new personalities and in new bodies, you will still be young and crispy and only be in the first third or in the prime of your life. This, then, is my and your destiny.

Quetzal:
21. That is absolutely correct.
22. I take note of your desire, and so, from now on, I will no longer speak of your secret and will only do this again when we have fathomed this.
23. If it should be such that it doesn’t fall any more in the time of my current contacts with you, then it will be Ptaah or someone else who will address you again on this.
24. So it should be.

Billy:
Thus, we will be able to bring other things to language in the future.

Quetzal:
25. That is correct.
26. And if you have any special requests here, then I would be happy to meet these.

Billy:
Thanks. Maybe we can talk about world events and what will come in this regard, even if this will avail nothing as predictions, as we have seen all these years. But surely, there are still many other things that we can talk about.

Quetzal:
27. That, too, is correct.
28. But for today, it should now be enough because your appearance and health status aren’t the best.
29. You're tired and exhausted, so I would like to end my visit and the conversation.
30. You should be anxious for peace and for your welfare.
31. Until we meet again.

Billy:
Bye, and until the next visit. Bye.




198th Contact
Friday, November 30, 1984, 10:51 PM

Quetzal:
1. As you requested, I will report to you some future things that have reference to world events and politics and so on.
2. Already in a month, namely on the 28th of December of this year, 1984, a Soviet warship will operate in the Barents Sea and, as a result of a mistake, will fire a cruise missile, which will crash over northern Finland and also injure the Swedish airspace.
3. But then, the remains of the projectile will first be found at the end of January, lying on the ice of Lake Inari.
4. Then, on the 4th of January, 1985, it will be that for the first time, a child is born, who emerges from a replacement pregnancy by a so-called surrogate mother.
5. Then, in mid-January of 1985, it will be decided by the German Federal Government to participate in the project of a permanently manned space station; nevertheless, the Americans will call the shots, entirely according to their nature of always holding the power in their hands.
6. From this, a project of an international space station will develop, which will be tackled around the turn of the millennium.
7. But before this, in February of 1986, the start of a Russian space station with the name Mir (peace) will take place, as a replacement of the Salyut-7.
8. However, in 1999, this new space station will have had its day, after which it will fall down to the Earth and most of it will burn up, while the remaining part will sink into the sea, without causing damage.
9. But the crash will only take place in the year 2000.
10. The new international space station will be named the ISS, which means “International Space Station” in the English language.
11. This station, which will originally be named the ISSA and, thus, International Space Station Alpha, will weigh about 500 tons when it is completed approximately in the year 2005.
12. The first preliminary work in Earth’s orbit will begin when everything is all right, starting in November of 1998, and the measurements of the station will be about 110 x 80 meters.
13. The German Federal Government will also participate in the so-called Ariane project, i.e. in the further development of the European booster rocket, which will be launched into Earth’s orbit from Kourou.
14. Kourou is a city on the coast of French Guyana, where the seat of the French Space Research Center has been since 1967, to which a rocket launching base is also attached.
15. But back to the next-coming time:
16. In the month of January, 1985, the U.S. President Ronald Reagan in Washington will swear his oath for a second term of office.
17. By the end of January, it will happen further that for the first time after the Second World War, a Jewish world congress will take place, namely in Austria, in the capital Vienna, and there will be demands for a reinforced battle against fascism, anti-Semitism, and Nazism, in accordance with a main topic.
18. At the same time, it will be that Pope John Paul II will undertake his 25th trip to foreign locations and will visit the States of Ecuador, Peru, Venezuela, and Trinidad & Tobago.

Billy:
And what about the Soviet Union? Semjase once said, nevertheless, that this would still collapse before the turn of the new millennium because a man would come to power, who lays the groundwork for the end of the Soviet Union and the GDR [East Germany]. Even you have spoken of this and already told a few things.

Quetzal:
19. That is correct.
20. It will happen in the first 10 days of the month of March, 1985 that the State and party chief Konstantin Chernenko will die, after which a decision will be issued only a day later, which won’t be unanimous, however, that a man named Mikhail Gorbachev has to assume the office of the Secretary-General.
21. However, already more than a month before, the Soviet party newspaper will have published this, whose attitude is also already preprogrammed that the State and party chief, Konstantin U. Chernenko, is thrown down by a very serious illness.

Billy: 
The party newspaper is, nevertheless, the “Pravda?”

Quetzal:
22. That is correct.
23. It will further occur in February of 1985 that Hafez al-Assad, who’s been officiating in Syria since 1971, will be elected as president for another seven years, as a result of compulsion and election fraud, as well as by the fact that he will be the only candidate.
24. During the same period, Israel will reject the participation of the PLO in a planned international Middle East peace conference.

Billy:
PLO, that is the Palestine Liberation Organization.

Quetzal:
25. That is correct.
26. King Husain II of Jordan, whom you know personally very well, will reach an agreement with Yasser Arafat in Amman for a new Middle East peace initiative, which will be boycotted, nevertheless, by the Israelis.
27. You also know Yasser Arafat.

Billy:
Yes. But I found him to be rather unsympathetic.

Quetzal:
28. That is well-known to me.
29. Around the 20th of February, 1985, in the vicinity of Bilbao, a Boeing of the Spanish airline Iberia will crash, which will cost 148 human lives.
30. In Austria, around the 20th of February, the nuclear-armed Soviet Union will be made subject to the control of the IAEA, the International Atomic Energy Agency.
31. The contract will be signed in Vienna.*
32. Only a few days later, there will be a worldwide sensation in Australia, when for the first time, twins will be born to a mother who was impregnated by the implantation of so-called frozen embryos.
33. Toward the end of the month of February, 1985, an airplane of the German Lufthansa will be kidnapped from Frankfurt on Main to the Vienna International Airport in Schwechat, after which both Syrian-born kidnappers will be arrested.
34. These are some events that will happen in the next few months, apart from the things that relate to the Russian and the International Space Station and to the choice of the new Russian State and party leaders.
35. Everything else will happen by the end of the month of February.
36. I’ll explain more to you when I come again on the 3rd of February of next year and visit you.
37. But now, I would still like to mention a few private words that should not appear in the conversation report.

*Translator’s Note: The contract was put into effect only a day after Quetzal’s predicted date. Interestingly enough, Quetzal did, indeed, indicate that his figure was approximate. If one would like, he or she may read the IAEA Agreement.

Billy:
As you wish. Then let’s hear what you have to say.

[The rest of the conversation was not released for public viewing.]
 
 
 
199th Contact
 
Sunday, February 3, 1985, 2:18 AM

Billy:
So I have to say that this is a huge surprise that you come here, my friend. Actually, I expected Quetzal because he told me in the last conversation that he would come on the 3rd of February. He also said that he would report some more things to me about the future.

Ptaah:
1. Unfortunately, he is unavailable; on the other hand, he urged me to see you again and to exchange a few words with you.
2. But what Quetzal explained concerning the revelation of future events, I would like to bring to word that it would probably be better to omit this because we have gained the knowledge that such predictions produce no good fruit but rather only anxieties and confusion.

Billy:
Pity, but maybe in this regard, I can knock again at a later time.

Ptaah:
3. Our answer will probably be the same.

Billy:
We’ll see.

Ptaah:
4. You will have to recognize it.
5. But now, I would like to make you well aware that from now on, we will keep our contact conversations short, namely for your health’s sake.
6. For the time being, you can no longer record our discussions, as Quetzal already explained to you, but it should be that we will transmit these to you at a later date if your health allows it again.
7. But the way I see things, a very long time will elapse until then, if it happens at all, because your physical condition is extremely unpleasant, and I would even like to say catastrophic, if I want to use your words.

Billy:
It will certainly return to me, for I have no intention to kick the bucket already. There are still all kinds of work waiting for me, which I have to do.

Ptaah:
8. But it is doubtful as to whether you are still able to do these.

Billy:
Don’t be so pessimistic.

Ptaah:
9. That I am not, but I know about your actual health condition.
10. And that is why it is a mystery to me that you are still working and that you even brought the work OM to an end.

Billy:
You see, it can’t be so bad at all.

Ptaah:
11. You like to belittle.

Billy:
As you mean. I beg to differ, for I just think that I must pull myself together and do my work. Somehow, I’ll make it.

Ptaah:
12. As I know, your doctor, Doctor Flachsmann, also told you that he could not help you and that from now on, you have to be concerned about the treatment of your illness and about finding the necessary medication.
13. Thus, you actually belittle your condition since your doctor already knows no more.
14. And indeed, it would be appropriate that you would let me give you some help.

Billy:
You know very well that I don’t want that, which is why you also shouldn’t address it. I don’t want to have any more rights than any other Earth person.

Ptaah:
15. I already know these words of yours, and it will probably remain so, that you won’t want to allow yourself some help.

Billy:
You are absolutely right about that. But now, it would be very nice if we could stray from this subject because firstly, I don’t like it, and secondly, I have another question or two, since you’re already here.

Ptaah:
16. As you wish.
17. State your questions.

Billy:
Thank you. – Now, it concerns the fact that my doctor told me – as, by the way, also various other people, among whom are also the core group members – that I must drink at least 2 to 3 liters of water or tea, etc. a day for health reasons because this is necessary for humans. But on my side, I cannot remember ever having to drink so much, not even in the desert, where it was always very hot. I was always content with a small cup of hot tea or with an Arabic, i.e. Turkish, small coffee. Also, it is only rare that I’m really thirsty and then drink a little more than usual. But at the same time, I feel fine and can’t complain about the fact that I would have a little discomfort due to drinking some liquid that I would take to myself. However, other people constantly say that they take to themselves several liters of fluid a day because it must be like that. What do you think about this, as a doctor?

Ptaah:
18. The fluid needs from person to person are basically different, so one needs more than the other.

Billy:
But that doesn’t quite answer my question; moreover, I would yet like to say that sometimes, I don’t take any fluid to myself for several days, if I disregard one or two cups of coffee. Sometimes, I even omit that.
 
Ptaah:
19. That is well-known to me.
20. But for further explanation, I would like to say that in general, a false notion prevails on the Earth, particularly with the medical profession, that larger amounts of fluid are of importance for human needs.
21. But this is only partially the case because this only relates to people who indicate a greater need for fluid, but individually, this is very different.
22. So there are persons whose daily need for fluid is very high, while others get by on very little and perceive the drinking of water or tea, as well as other liquids, as torture if they have to drink such without a real thirst.
23. But no thirst means that the body doesn’t need any fluid, etc., not even for the washing out of toxic substances, etc.
24. Yet if more is drunk than what thirst requires or what is mandatory for reasons of illness, then this can cause discomfort or even damage to health.

Billy:
That is clear to me, and in fact, I always feel uncomfortable when I must drink something without actually being thirsty. I actually have to force myself constantly to drink a glass of tea or water with my oral medication because the liquid chokes me due to the lack of thirst and often makes me downright gasp for air.

Ptaah:
25. That is understandable to me, but you probably won’t be able to avoid taking some liquid to yourself, with which you must wash down the medicines.
26. Thus, you have to get along with the choking, as you call it.
27. But don’t let yourself, through wrong opinions, be forced to take in larger amounts of fluid each day, if your thirst doesn’t demand it.
28. The view that each day, humans require at least two to three liters of liquid or even more corresponds to crazy teachings that, if followed, could lead to bad health problems.
29. Such a need for fluid, in reality, only applies to a portion of all people, but the causes for this are illness-conditioned or are based in reasons of a genuine thirst, due to warmth and heat or due to the perspiring exertion of the body, with which I also address the corresponding work.

Billy:
Thank you for your remarks. May I ask you another question?

Ptaah:
30. Certainly.
31. However, it should be the last one for today, for your health’s sake.
32. You can then report other questions to Quetzal because he will continue to maintain official contact with you.

Billy:
I will be guided accordingly. My question is this: even though officially, no more predictions should be made, could it be possible that these are, at least, explained to me confidentially? Already since the beginning of our contacts, we’ve always discussed whatever private and other things, and we've discussed things that weren’t held in writing in the contact conversations and that also weren’t transmitted by you. Can't this continue to remain so?

Ptaah:
33. The situation should remain in such a way as before.
34. Only, during the next few years, you won’t be able to talk with me officially but only unofficially, and only in an official form with Quetzal, yet perhaps others will still visit you, but this isn’t exactly certain yet because on my part, I will first come to you again personally when your health condition has actually improved.
35. However, this will take several months – if ever.
36. But my absence has nothing to do with you or your health and illness because for the next five months, I’ll be absent because I have to accomplish a task in the DAL Universe with Asket’s people during that time, which will keep me from staying, even briefly, in our DERN Universe.
37. Quetzal will be my representative with regard to my position, but also in reference to the contact maintenance with you – at least for a certain time.

Billy:
Ah, now you’ve betrayed yourself.

Ptaah:
38. I don’t understand?

Billy:
You mentioned that it would, perhaps, be doubtful whether my health condition will improve again. But you just said that you will first visit me again when my health condition has actually improved again. Therefore, you know exactly that this will be the case at a certain time and that I will actually rise up again, which would have to be the case in about five months, if I have exactly understood your words.

Ptaah:
39. Despite your vile state of health, you are very attentive as usual and interpret my words accordingly, as they are actually meant.
40. But it wasn’t my intention to refer you to the deeper meaning of my words, and in fact, I was of the view that your attention and perception were so impaired that you would not grasp the deeper meaning of my remarks.
41. I was mistaken in that. -
42. Yes, I know that you will bring all your powers to use, in order to improve your health and to fulfill your mission yet, in spite of everything, after the best possibility.
43. And you will accomplish a lot, and up to the end of this century, you will actually exceed yourself in your work, so in the coming time, you will do more than what was planned.
44. However, in the coming time, this will also be true of the group members, who will achieve much through their employment.
45. Nevertheless, several of the newly appearing members won’t be as fond of employment as the group members who energetically cooperate since the first construction work of the center and the mission.
46. Unfortunately, with some of these future members of the group, there will also be evasions of duty, for which untrue excuses and assertions will also be given.
47. However, we will keep you informed about that, so that you are always informed about the true state of affairs.
48. Only, you should not let your knowledge become known to the fallible ones.

Billy:
I will abide by that. So once again, you've had a look into the future because otherwise, you could not know all these things.

Ptaah:
49. Your words correspond to the truth.
50. This had to be my action in relation to this because it was important for us to know whether the contacts will be further maintained and whether the mission can still actually come to its fulfillment.

Billy:
Ah, then you have still seen and understood other things. How does it stand, then, with my alliance war that should continue until the end of my life?
 
Ptaah:
51. That will not be the case because after the middle of the nineties, this load will no longer oppress you, and from 1990 onwards, you will find new good fortune.
 
Billy:
Ah, and what should this good fortune be?
 
Ptaah:
52. I will tell you that when for my part, I officially resume contact with you.
53. Entirely provided that in the meantime, you do not remember what it concerns.
54. But now, it is time for me to go, my friend.
55. Until we meet again in a little over five months.
56. My best wishes and thoughts are with you.
 
Billy:
Then until we meet again in five months; the time is so short and will pass away quickly - at least for you. As for me…
 
Ptaah:
57. Indeed, you will still have to fight hard battles up to our reunion.
58. Also, you'll still experience many disappointments with your spouse because as always, she treacherously works against you, even though she is outwardly loyal, honest, and connected with you and your mission.
59. But you should regard all this as your knowledge alone and should only speak of it when everything has smoothed and regulated itself.
 
Billy:
However, you have striven very much for everything and got very deeply involved in the investigations.
 
Ptaah:
60. With that, you speak a true word, but my action was necessary because we had to have clarity, for only then can everything be continued by us and your mission actually be accomplished.
61. Quetzal is oriented over the remaining interests in every detail, and it will be he who will still explain everything to you exactly.
62. But for today, that should really be enough because everything is extremely strenuous for you.
63. Your skin color has already turned gray again.
64. So now, I will take my leave.
65. See you in five months.

Billy:
Please pay Semjase my dearest greetings, naturally also Asket and Nera, if you already go over there.
 
Ptaah:
66. It will be my pleasure.
67. But now, until we meet again.
 
Billy:
Bye, bye.




200th Contact
Wednesday, May 1, 1985, 3:11 AM

Billy:
So, my son, you told me recently that in the coming time, genetic research would be widely discussed, but also a renewed debate would break out regarding the concept of the incarnation, as this was already the case in earlier centuries, I mean in terms of the incarnation, and thus, the moment is meant in which the fetus becomes animated in the womb through the spirit form that is capable of rebirth, which includes the entire consciousness block of the new personality that is created by the spirit in the fetus in which the spirit respectively enters.

Quetzal:
1. That is correct; I’ve explained a few things to you in relation to this.
2. The large and worldwide debate around genetic research will already soon have its beginning, but it will first be in a lot of people’s mouths at and around the turn of the millennium.
3. Also, the question of the beginning of the incarnation will then be raised again in a strong form, and in this connection, all sorts of false suppositions and polished nonsense will dominate the agenda, especially through the pseudoscientific and pseudo-religious false assertions and ideologies of the know-it-alls, fanatics, politicians, parish staff, theologians and, of course, through the sectarians, false prophets, media, and alleged contactees, as well as through the Pope, whose predecessors, being absolute amateurs in the matter of the beginning of the incarnation, already felt eager for hundreds of years to spread their nonsense.
4. Thus, Pope Pius IX, among others, absurdly maintained and made the doctrine that Joseph’s wife Mary, already from the moment of Jmmanuel’s conception, carried a reason-gifted “soul” in herself and that already at conception, the fertilized egg was animated by the “soul,” and so, Jmmanuel’s personality and his reason had already existed.
5. But the fact is that there is no soul because in truth, this is identical with the psyche, which could have allowed the fertilized egg to become filled with reason, but that in truth, it exclusively deals with the spirit form which is capable of rebirth, i.e. the spirit, nothing of this was mentioned at all.
6. But this could not have been otherwise since this Pope had no notion of the teaching of the spirit and of the actual creative laws.
7. Therefore, the inventor of the dogma of “Mary’s Immaculate Conception” made an absurd assertion out of self-craze and arrogance as well as out of unreal thinking, etc., namely with regard to the fact that he would be absolutely immoderate and incorrect in that with the celebration of the “Immaculate Conception of Mary,” something would be worshiped and celebrated that would be without reason, and with this, the fertilized egg was meant.
8. That’s what happened in the year 1854.
9. Years later, in 1869, he then changed the Canon Law in order to give validity to his nonsensical assertion.
10. Yet up to that time, it was such that the fetus was “inanimate” up to 80 days after the conception and the value of “animation” was only granted to it starting from the 80th day.
11. In addition to various other things, this 80th day was also important for abortion because after this time, one became punished with an excommunication.
12. As a result of the absurd assertion of Pope Pius IX, from then on, an excommunication inevitably took place with each abortion because the new rule was that through a sperm, the fertilized egg would already be “animated” in the body of the woman and, thus, would be filled with reason and would respectively be an “indivisible” individual, as this term was adopted from the Greek word that is transliterated as “ätomon.” *
13. But this acceptance of the individual and of being filled with reason are actually absurd because as you know, the animation of the fetus takes place via the spirit form on the 21st day after conception, with which also the heart begins its rhythmic activity, and thus begins the existence of the individual because at the same moment, when the rebirth, i.e. the reincarnation, of the spirit form takes place in the fetus, the new personality, along with the entire consciousness block, becomes born into new life.
14. Furthermore, it must be said that prior to this moment - up to around the 14th day after conception, which can vary - still different processes in the fertilized egg take place, as for example the division into twins.

*Translator’s Note: The original Greek word is “?t?µ??.” Also, transliteration occurs whenever all letters of a word from one language are simply converted into their corresponding characters of the other alphabet, into which the word is being transferred. So the above German word, "ätomon," would be transliterated into the English language as "atomon."

Billy:
You explain that just like a doctor.

Quetzal:
15. Like Ptaah, I’ve also learned this specialty.
16. However, I’ve already explained this to you before.

Billy:
Unfortunately, I forgot. But now, so that no confusion arises, if I should still take in later conversation reports and write this down, maybe it would be useful for understanding and such that once again, it is explained that the term “individual” is actually a transliteration of the Greek word “ätomon,” as you’ve already said, and that this “indivisible” can also mean “single being.” In addition, it is also important to say that the origin of the term “individual” is actually connected with the term “atom.” But today, the designation “individual” stands for the single person, to which also scholasticism has contributed.

Quetzal:
17. That is correct.
18. As a result of scholasticism, the meaning of “individual” found a specification for the human personality, and then, in the 16th century, it developed into the special “person.”
19. In today's German language, but also in other earthly languages, the term “individual” finds its meaning as a single person, as you rightly said.

Billy:
You are also a German expert.

Quetzal:
20. All of us, who keep in touch with you, have learned the German language very extensively.

Billy:
Sfath also spoke this language very well, but also my dialect.

Quetzal:
21. That is well-known to me.

Billy:
He also instructed me in a good form in the German language, and with him, I also learned to write and to read, which was a reason for my first teacher, he was named Karl Graf, to take me, in a special measure, under his wing.

Quetzal:
22. That is also known to me, also that he was led to you by Sfath’s telepathic impulses and that he spoke about you with his friend, Carl Gustav Jung, whom you later became acquainted with in Zurich, when you visited your handicapped sister (Verena) in the Matilda Escher Home, and you made yet another visit to the psychiatric hospital, Burghölzli, where C. G. Jung was visiting.



Explanation:
Teacher Karl Graf, with whom the little Eduard (Billy) visited during the first three school years, was not only one of Eddy’s great friends, but he also stood on friendly terms with priest Rudolf Emanuel Zimmermann and with the well-known psychologist and psychiatrist, Professor Carl Gustav Jung. Karl Graf had been enlightened by the little Eduard in reference to his contacts with the extraterrestrial Sfath and, as proof, even once received the opportunity to be allowed to observe his aircraft, with Sfath’s permission, in “Erachfeld” in Bülach, when Eduard went to a contact. A contact with Sfath was excluded, but the experience was enough for the teacher to promote, from then on, the scholastic progress of the boy entrusted to him, also partly in his spare time on a private basis. At the same time, it couldn’t fail, of course, that Karl Graf was faced with many questions from Eduard, which he also answered, faithful to his knowledge and understanding. If he couldn't do this, however, especially when it came to strictly psychological and life-related matters, then he contacted his friend, Professor Carl Gustav Jung, to whom he had reported of Eduard, as well as of his sighting experience regarding Sfath’s aircraft. The professor saw no reason in Karl Graf’s remarks not to accept them as truth, as he also found no reason in them not to take a stand and not to let Eduard's questions go unanswered. Interested in the boy, who asked such profound questions, he requested a photo from the teacher, in order to be able to make himself a mental picture of Eduard. Teacher Graf procured the photo and handed it over to the professor for examination, who made himself an exact mental image of little Eduard. He also told his little niece, Lou Zinsstag, of the young Eduard, which was the real impetus for the fact that she became interested in extraterrestrials and their aircraft and that she began to strive in the course of her life for all attainable photographic and written material and became a world-renowned UFO researcher, who didn’t let herself be easily deceived. In consequence of this, in the sixties, she got into a discussion with the Briton Timothy Good, who told her of a Swiss by the name of Eduard Meier, who lived for some time in India and about whom the New Delhi newspaper, “Statesman,” reported as a contact man to extraterrestrials. Of course, Lou Zinsstag tried to get in contact with Eduard (who – in the meantime, in Persia, by an American woman named Judy Reed – had become known as “Billy,” a name that would always remain with him), but she couldn’t discover where he lived. But through a happy stroke of fate, it happened when she was staying with the American UFO expert and former Air Force Colonel Wendelle Stevens, who already knew the Billy of whom she spoke, and he also gave her his whereabouts with the exact address information. Upon her return to Switzerland, she made an abrupt decision to make her way to Billy, with whom she then talked for a very long time, and she gained rock-solid insight that all details of the contact man, Billy, corresponded to the absolute truth and that there was no deception or lie. An insight that she also represented until the end of her days. Still as a young lad, Billy got to know Professor Carl Gustav Jung personally. At the same time, the personal acquaintance came about through a happy stroke of fate, whereby the following happened: Together with his mother, Billy, at that time still Eduard, in the Matilda Escher Home in Zurich, visited his sister Verena, who had been severely physically disabled since her birth and who had been staying there. From there, he set out on his short trip down to the psychiatric hospital, “Burghölzli,” where he still wanted to pick up an acquaintance, who visited her sick father there. As Eduard was waiting for the acquaintance in front of the main entrance, a man unexpectedly came to him and asked if he was, indeed, Eduard, the former student of Karl Graf. He had seen a picture of him that the teacher had shown to him, and as far as he could tell, not much had changed. He was Professor Jung, the friend of the teacher, the one who had always answered the difficult and unusual questions for him. This resulted in an intensive conversation between the two, which lasted for 46 minutes, and it was finished when the acquaintance, for whom Eduard had waited, stepped out of the main entrance. After the dismissal, Professor Jung and Eduard went their ways and never met again.

Excerpt Insertion: Brockkaus Lexicon: Jung, Carl Gustav, Swiss. Psychologist and psychiatrist, born in Kesswil (Canton Thurgau) 7/26/1875, died in Küsnacht (Canton Zürich) 6/6/1961; from 1910, Professor in Zürich; came from the psychoanalysis of S. Freud but then developed his own teachings (Analytical Psychology) of the psychological energy, of the individuation, of the individual and collective unconscious, of the archetype and the types of the consciousness attitude (Introversion, Extraversion). J. also dealt with occult phenomena and, among other things, worked on psychotherapy, religious and mythical research, ethnology, educational theory. Since 1948, the C. Q. J. Institute has existed in Zürich and since 1957, the International Association for Analytical Psychology.
Works: Transformations and Symbols of the Libido (1912); extended: Symbols of Transformation (1952); Psychological Types (1921); The Relations between the Ego and the Unconscious (1928); Psychology and Religion (1938); Essays on a Science of Mythology (1941); From the Roots of Consciousness (1954); Memories, Dreams, Reflections (ed. 1962).
(Billy’s Explanation: With the unconscious, C. G. Jung identified the subconscious.)

January 30, 2004, 12:46 AM – dictated by Ptaah



Billy:
Ah, that I did not know. Now I understand a few things better. I could have imagined that myself. That was probably also the reason why he so encouraged me in the German language and drilled me in such a way as also Sfath did.

Quetzal:
23. That is correct.
24. If it wouldn’t have been for Sfath, then with certainty, you wouldn’t have been able to read and write so well at the age of only 6 1/2 years.
25. And if teacher Graf also wouldn’t have assisted you, then you could not have already composed those written works, which you wrote in your youngest years.
26. Those were amazing little works.

Billy:
Thus, you know?
 
Quetzal:
27. That is correct because Sfath was also one of my teachers, and of course, he spoke with me regarding your person and task.
28. He also presented your works to me, which he recorded constantly.
29. And when I had studied these works, I decided to be assigned to your mission and the connection with you.

Billy:
There, things come to light again. Interesting.

Quetzal:
30. But it should remain there for today because you aren’t supposed to be burdened too much.
31. I still have just a brief explanation to deliver, with regard to what was presented, in reference to the incarnation, i.e. the animation of the fetus by the spirit form:
32. As revealed from a look into the future, the absurd and erroneous claim – that from the moment of conception, i.e. from conception to human life, the fetus would be a reason-gifted life form and, thus, an individual – will recently be reaffirmed, maintained, and taught, again by an ignorant layman, with respect to the rebirth of the spirit form and its animation of the fetus.
33. This new crazy teaching is again generated and developed by an erring religionist, namely by a certain Cardinal Lehmann, who will express himself in this way on the 10th of June, 1991.

Billy:
Thanks for the explanation. But Ptaah said that distance is supposed to be taken from predictions.

Quetzal:
34. That is correct, but that has nothing to do with the predictions hastily agreed upon by us.
35. And now, farewell, my friend.

Billy:
You are suddenly in a hurry.
 
Quetzal:
36. On the one hand, it’s about your health, which is why I shouldn’t strain you too much, but on the other hand, I still have to settle the tasks that I’m assigned to.

Billy:
Of course, I understand. Then until the next time. Until we meet again.

Quetzal:
37. So be it.
38. Farewell.



201st Contact
Wednesday, June 5, 1985, 12:18 AM

Billy:
So, my friend, today, I would like to ask you about what is actually up with the Destroyer. In the past, you once said that you would strive to remove this wandering planet from the SOL system but that you must be entitled or mandated to do so by the High Council and by the Arahat Athersata level because it concerns a major intervention in cosmic events. Is this still valid?

Quetzal:
1. Yes.
2. But the whole thing might still drag on for another 10 to 15 years, also in terms of the technical possibilities that we must still acquire in order to be able to carry out such an enterprise.

Billy:
If you should actually be ordered to do so and if you can carry out the enterprise, what happens, then, with the prophecies that are given in connection with the Destroyer, as well as with the Earth, Mars and its moons, and with the Sun, etc.? These would then have to fall flat, nevertheless, because completely different and new prerequisites would emerge.

Quetzal:
3. That is correct.

Billy:
If the Destroyer should disappear from our system, then entirely different events would arise, in relation to the destruction of the Earth and the passing of the Sun and so on?

Quetzal:
4. I already said that this is correct.
5. If the changes of the Sun and the planets result, without the influence of the Destroyer, then in about 380 million years, the Sun will already be incorporated into processes, through which an excessive activity will emerge, by what means all life on Earth will slowly start to become extinct, and in about 470 million years, no floral, faunal, and human life forms can exist on the planet any more.
6. In about 4 billion years, the Sun will only exist as a dead - i.e. shrunken, dark, and inactive - star, along with some inactive planets, which will still float, together with their burned-out sun, through free space for around 6 billion years and, thus, a total of about 10 billion years after the denaturing* of the Earth, in order, then, to be pulled in by a black hole and be compressed by its heavy mass.

*Translator's Note: The German word "Inaktivwerdung," translated as "denaturing" above, is literally translated as "inactive-becoming" and, thus, includes the time when the Earth initially starts to become inactive, and also the time following this, as a result of the increased radiation that it receives from the Sun, which will begin the slow extinction process. Thus, according to Quetzal's information, the denaturing of the Earth will begin in 380 million years from now.

Billy:
However, the earthly scientists don’t proceed from this data that you just mentioned. They say that the Earth will still exist for 5 to 10 billion years and will probably still carry life until then.
 
Quetzal:
7. That is known to me, but they have no knowledge about the fact that the greenhouse gas, CO2, plays a very important role for the Earth and that if the Sun irradiation becomes too strong, which will be the case at the time mentioned by me, then the CO2 rapidly disappears.
8. However, this stands in very important connection with the Sun irradiation because if the radiation becomes too strong through the penetrating heat, then the moisture-bearing clouds evaporate, as well as the waters of the streams, rivers, lakes, and seas, by what means the greenhouse gas ultimately becomes removed from the atmosphere.
9. This means, however, that an automatic cooling takes place.
10. But this cooling will only be of a relatively short duration because the increasing radiation of the Sun, which slowly starts to swell, slowly dries up the planet completely when all the liquid has evaporated, after which the Earth's surface then starts to glow, and the soil as well as the rocks of the mountains become liquefied.
11. The time for this will be when the Sun is a “Red Giant” and liquefies the inner planets and pulls them into itself.

Billy:
But all life on Earth, so I suppose, will already no longer exist for a long time prior to this process, except thermal bacterial life, right?

Quetzal:
12. That is correct.

Billy:
Good, then still another question: on my great journey, I saw a very fine ring around Jupiter, similar to Saturn’s ring, which was so fine, nevertheless, that it cannot be detected, i.e. cannot be seen, from the Earth. The question now is this, whether it can now be seen and photographed, nevertheless, with the large telescope that is supposed to be brought, in about five years, into an orbit around the Earth?

Quetzal:
13. You mean the Hubble Space Telescope, as it will be called.
14. No, an observation will hardly be possible up to then because this Jupiter ring already stands in dissolution and might already be gone in less than a year.

Billy:
Oh, I see. But now it interests me as to how this ring formed, also the others around Saturn, etc. Can you tell me something about that? Particularly, I am interested in Saturn’s ring, which has such beautiful, reddish, and partly deep-red colors that alternate in the different ring layers.

Quetzal:
15. All rings of the SOL system’s planets trace back to comets, as well as to their tails.
16. With Saturn, these came from a number of comets that left behind fragments and tail matter around the planet and, as also with Uranus, accordingly produced a visible ring that is divided into different layers and a number of other smaller rings and also exhibits different colors, as you’ve already said, whereby light to very strong red coloring particularly stands out.

Billy:
And why is Jupiter’s ring so weak?

Quetzal:
17. With this planet, only a single and small comet worked; therefore, only a very small ring developed, but which will soon be dissolved, as I already said.

Billy:
And when was Jupiter’s ring formed, then?

Quetzal:
18. It is still very young.
19. The exact date when it originated is unknown to me.

Billy:
So then, still another question: the planet Phaeton, i.e. Malona, was, at an earlier time, where Mars now draws its course. Did the life zone still extend out to this planet?

Quetzal:
20. That corresponds to the truth.
21. The life zone, as you call it, still reached out, about a billion years ago, to the former location of Mars, so to roughly 400 million kilometers.
22. Then, about 75,000 years ago, at the time of the destruction of Phaeton/Malona, the Sun developed a sudden high-level of activity, whereby much more solar energy was released into the vastness of universal space in the area of the SOL system, which unleashed a tremendously strong evaporation on the planet Mars, which had fallen to its present orbit.
23. All CO2 settled down into the ground, whereby the planet practically “died of thirst” and became a red and black dry desert.
24. In the same train occurred the phenomenon that the life zone mentioned by you shrank within a few months and only the Earth still remained in this.
25. In 380 million years, however, the Earth will also slowly slip out of the life zone, and in 470 million years, the greenhouse gas CO2 will be so reduced through the increased energy of the Sun, or rather through the evaporation of water, that nothing can exist anymore because all plants will have passed and no more oxygen will be able to be produced.

Billy:
And where does the CO2 disappear, then?

Quetzal:
26. I explained, nevertheless, that it will settle itself into the ground.

Billy:
Ah, so you mean that it will, so to speak, deposit itself into the soil.
 
Quetzal:
27. That is correct.
28. But now, I should go again.

Billy:
Still one or two questions, please.

Quetzal:
29. But then it must be enough.

Billy:
So be it. - Can you tell me whether you know how many Earth-like and, thus, habitable planets there are in our galaxy and when foreign planets will finally be discovered by our astronomers?

Quetzal:
30. The number of Earth-like planets in this galaxy is unknown to us, but we have estimates that amount to an acceptance of around 49 million, and also in accordance with our estimates, about 7 million of these planets carry life.
31. Your question, then:
32. Terrestrial scientists, to whom I also count amateur astronomers, will already discover the first Earth-foreign planets in a few years, after which, around the turn of the millennium, already a substantial number will be registered.
33. But there will be no planets among them that are capable of carrying higher life.

Billy:
Then still one last question: If in accordance with your statements, the Soviet Union and the GDR [East Germany] can seal their end in the next years and the communist government disappears, then the Cold War will finally end there and there will be peace, and also the bombs and the rockets and the like will be destroyed?

Quetzal:
34. The great Cold War will seem to find an end in an official form, but secretly, it will continue.
35. Thus, the show will be deceiving, and real peace will be as distant as ever.
36. Bombs and rockets will likely be destroyed to a certain amount, namely through corresponding disarmament treaties that will be agreed upon and signed between America and the Soviet Union, i.e. Russia.
37. Yet everything will be nothing more than a show because in truth, only outdated weapon systems and, thus, useless scrap will be dismantled and destroyed and will be replaced by new, modern systems.
38. Thus, everything will be nothing more than a deception toward humanity, while the major players renew their weapon systems in a confidential manner.

Billy:
Typical. Thanks for your remarks. Then I don’t want to delay you now any longer. Bye then, and greet everyone quite dearly for me.

Quetzal:
39. I will do that.
40. Until we meet again.




202nd Contact
Saturday, August 24, 1985, 2:38 PM

Billy:
What do you think in terms of the things that have to do with the area of sex? In my view, everything slowly gets negatively out of control in this area worldwide.

Quetzal:
1. That is correct.
2. The sex life of the Earth person slowly degenerates more and more.
3. All shame gets lost and everything gets out of control, namely to such an extent that the sex life only comes to validity for reasons of a purely physical and instinctive form.
4. In addition, more and more, one only marries for reasons of a false feeling of love and no longer in accordance with a true perception of love, which will lead to very many divorces in the coming time.
5. The tendency of this is increasing alarmingly.
6. Together with false love, also having more money, property, and goods, as well as the costly adorning of the outward appearance play a very important role, but not the true perception of love that is of actual importance and meaning and that is life-continuous.
7. So in particular, sex-greed that is focused on purely physical pleasure will, from now on, get out of control in an increasing measure, by what means a worldwide sex business emerges, which finds its expression not only in countless brothels but also in the robbery, sexual abuse, and sexual enslavement of children and women, and in relation to this, even innumerable murders and rapes will be included.
8. Pornography will also become a worldwide catchword, namely with respect to adult pornography as well as child pornography and sodomy pornography.
9. Also the industry of sex toys will become a proper branch of the economy.
10. The cornerstone for this was laid by a certain Beate Uhse, who already began, in the middle of the century, to undermine the sexual sense of shame of people by selling and spreading sex toys, etc., through which she not only became rich but also destroyed the morals of people, from which a true farce will develop in the coming time, that there was an insignificance against Sodom and Gomorrah.
11. The sexual taboos will fall upon all; therefore, only purely physical sex-greed and money-greed will dominate those scenes that alienate themselves from decency and modesty.

Billy:
Do you know the interests around Hitler?

Quetzal:
12. Yes, why?

Billy:
My question: as Sfath once explained to me, Adolf Hitler was syphilitic and already terminally ill in the third stage, and in consciousness, he was already no longer entirely clear in the head. His consciousness had already been partially impaired, by what means he could no longer think clearly and act, and he also became megalomaniac and unpredictable. From this disease, syphilis, he would have died sooner or later if he hadn’t shot himself, which he actually did, right? Anyhow, that’s what Sfath said.

Quetzal:
13. What you have said corresponds to the truth.
14. But why do you mention these things?

Billy:
Quite simply because there are always people who maintain that Hitler is still alive and, thus, didn’t commit suicide.

Quetzal:
15. That corresponds to erroneous, stupid, and know-it-all claims as well as wishful assertions because Adolf Hitler actually shot himself, and to be sure, in Berlin on the 30th of April, 1945.
16. At that time, he was just 56 years old.

Billy:
He actually wasn’t German but rather Austrian, son of the Austrian customs official Alois Hitler. He really became a German citizen in 1932. As Sfath said, he was also a Jew, but he denied this throughout his life.

Quetzal:
17. That is correct.
18. He kept this secret until his suicide.

Billy:
Thus, Hitler, with absolute certainty, has no longer been alive since 1945, as Sfath said. Then another question: Sfath said that at the turn of the century, i.e. the millennium, genetic engineering, i.e. genetic manipulation, would very strongly step into appearance again, as this was already the case a long time ago and was practiced here on Earth by extraterrestrials, as well as in a space-time configuration that is shifted to our space-time configuration of Sirius, when there, a large group of humans from the Henoch line became genetically manipulated by the Sirians. Sfath said that in a coming time, animals such as monkeys/apes will have human brain parts or entire brains implanted into them, and also genetic manipulations are supposed to be made, from which animal-people will then emerge, whom you call cherubim. These, then, are beings that have an actual animal body yet a functioning human consciousness and, therewith, also a creative human spirit form. The same applies to the seraphim, who have half human / half animal bodies and likewise a consciousness and, therewith, a creative human spirit form, such as in the old mythologies with the fauns, the Minotaur, and the centaurs, etc. The Bible even mentions the cherubim and the seraphim, but there, they are called angels, that is, messengers, who have been or who should be intermediaries between God and man, as the monotheistic religions lay this out. Now, the time of these genetic manipulations, as well as the transplants of brain and body parts, will soon stand at the door, according to Sfath’s information.

Quetzal:
19. That is correct.
20. The beginning of this, however, was already made on the 3rd of December, 1967, when the South African cardiac surgeon, Christiaan Neethling Barnard, performed the first successful heart transplant.

Billy:
But when will it all properly begin?

Quetzal:
21. In the not too distant time because genetic and cloning attempts have already been underway for many years, whereby a lot is still kept secret.
22. Thus, already for six years, a clone-mutant has existed, which is kept behind closed doors in a secret laboratory and is kept alive for research purposes.
23. Transplantation technology is already on its way to becoming routine technology, which will also soon happen with genetic engineering, and in particular, only plants and animals are used and genetically altered for research purposes.
24. Then, also cloning will officially step into appearance, which will certainly be the case in the nineties, for in this regard, very great progress will be made up to then.
25. So then, already the first animals are cloned, after which efforts will then also arise to create human clones in an open and, thus, official form.
26. In addition, criminal and sectarian activities, unfortunately, won't keep themselves away in this respect, as I know from a look into the future.

Billy:
Thus, abuse will also be committed with genetic engineering and transplantation technology?

Quetzal:
27. That will, unfortunately, be the case.
28. Even children will be robbed of their organs for transplants, by what means they will die or become invalids.
29. Even adults will be murdered for organ harvesting, and to be sure, worldwide, but particularly in South America and in China.
30. In China, it will even be such that those who are sentenced to death will be shot in such a way that practically all organs other than the brain can be used for transplantation.
31. A worldwide major organ trade will step into appearance, which will very soon take uncontrolled forms.
32. But now, my friend, that should again be enough for today.
33. So I’m going now.
34. I will come back soon.




203rd Contact
Tuesday, September 10, 1985, 7:28 PM

*Translator's Note: Dyson Devine's and Vivienne Legg's English translation of the entire publicly released portion of this contact appears below.

Billy:
We have, indeed, already spoken at various times about the American Moon-landing swindle. In this regard, I have now also spoken with an American who was visiting here. He was not in agreement with that which I told him regarding your explanation concerning this matter. It was his opinion that a swindle is completely impossible because the aforementioned Moon-landing project had employed at least 100,000 humans, who most certainly had not kept silent, even if it were their duty to do so. At least a whole number of them would have talked or not held their tongues due to certain grounds. What is your opinion on that?

Quetzal:
1. As we have already explained several times, the Americans' Apollo 11 Moon-landing on July 20th, 1969 did not take place because everything was a great designed swindle, through which the entire world was fooled.
2. Also, it was not so that 100,000 or more people were involved in the fraud or simply informed about it, rather a total of precisely 37 persons who were involved in that.
3. This small number was responsible for nothing trickling through, and the criminal-fraud enterprise actually could be kept secret up until the present day, and this would also be the case in the future, in spite of the fact that very many anomalies in regard to the photographs and videos will be discovered by critical people and will continue to be discovered.    
4. The lie will, therefore, continue to be sustained, and indeed, in spite of the provable and clear evidence of the anomalies, which prove the falsification of the Moon-landing.
5. Further to say is that the Moon-landing swindle is also connected to murder, and indeed, in the respect that in spite of the duty of silence of those involved, a great number cannot be silent or could not be silent, which led and will further lead to arranged "accidents" and "illnesses" with fatal consequences, until the last involved person is no longer alive, whose silence is not securely established.
6. Remaining alive are only those who are hypnotically bound with their Moon-landing lies, so they themselves believe that the Moon-landing actually was realised or, at least, that they have thereby cooperated.

Billy:
But then, how is it with the Moon-rover and the landing devices and so forth, which were supposed to have been left behind on the Moon?

Quetzal:
7. These are actually to be found on the Moon, whereby, however, these were left behind from a later Moon-landing on the Earth's satellite.

Billy:
Therefore, the Yanks were, indeed, on the Moon.

Quetzal:
8. Naturally, however not on the claimed point in time of July 20th, 1969.
9. In that time, the mendaciously propagated and nonexistent Moon-landing was a pure political maneuver of the Americans, ostensibly to trump the Soviet Union in the so-called space race, to practically anticipate this, and thereby to be the winner and more powerful, which was supposed to serve as a deterrent military action in regard to the Soviet Union supposedly fearing the Americans.

Billy:
Hence the gigantic fraud of the alleged Moon-landing.

Quetzal:
10. That is correct.

Billy:
And, will the truth ever come to light?

Quetzal:
11. That would hardly be the case because the entire fraud is played in such a way that the discovery of the truth has practically as good as no chance.
12. Also, the provable contradictions of all kinds which can be allocated by the photographs and videos would bear no fruit for the acknowledgment of the truth.

Billy:
In the same way as with Roswell, where the spaceship crashed.

Quetzal:
13. That is also true because in this case, hardly a possibility exists that the secret activities will one day come to the light of truth and the humans will be enlightened over the actual truth.
14. Quite the opposite - the future will prove that the responsible ones in America will always invent new lies in order to shroud and deny the truth about the Roswell case.

Billy:
As that also otherwise occurred with many other things, however not only in America, rather also in Israel, England, and the Soviet Union, as well as in other countries, where, for example, their own people are rubbed out, in order to falsely implicate other powers and people in these assassinations, so that homicidal action can be undertaken "on good grounds" and it can be justified before the eyes of the world. But that, I find, is just as much an act of terror as is also murder and the overthrowing of a country and so forth, which is carried out all over the world through secret services and pertaining to military and government special units and death-commandos and so forth from various countries. Belonging to that, for example, are the murderous and crimes-against-humanity machinations in any country which has infected, or will infect, thousands upon thousands of humans with radioactive substances as well as with atom bomb tests and biological weapons and deliver them to a miserable death. And certainly, that would not so quickly come to an end.

Quetzal:
15. That is correct because chemical and technical development will accelerate everything further and evilly degenerate, whereby quite especially, the realm of terrorism will spread out in that way, so that a safe defense is practically impossible.

Billy:
Then we can await all kinds of things in this regard.

Quetzal:
16. That will be so; however, I am not supposed to speak about that because no further predictions are supposed to be made, at least not officially.
17. However, I can still be useful to you in this regard on a private basis.

Billy:
I actually have no requirement in that respect at the moment - perhaps it would be good, in spite of that, if I had knowledge of certain things, at least of such which concern me and my family as well as the group members and the mission.

Quetzal:
18. I am allowed to speak openly with you in this regard and to create clarity if you actually want me to.

Billy:
In this respect, yes. Perhaps also important things in the form of world events, if you think that the awareness thereof is important for me.

Quetzal:
19. It should be thus.
20. Then listen to what I have to say...

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